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What crashed Nvidia? DeepSeek or US AI chip export restrictions / sanctions? by vikisecrets

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What crashed Nvidia? DeepSeek or US AI chip export restrictions / sanctions?
Was hat Nvidia (NVDA) gecrash? DeepSeek oder die AI-Chip-Export-Beschränkungen/Sanktionen der USA?

DeepSeek hat ein Open-Source-LLM veröffentlicht, das an das Niveau von OpenAI GPT o1 herankommt, teilweise sogar übertrifft und viel weniger Rechenleistung/GPUs sowohl für das Training aber vor allem im Betrieb benötigt.

Das hat die USA in Schrecken versetzt und zu einer Korrektur der Nvidia-Aktie und des Nasdaq geführt.

China hat es trotz Sanktionen geschafft, OpenAI und die Closed-Source-KI-Industrie alt aussehen zu lassen.

Wobei man fairerweise aber sagen muss, dass auch Google mit Gemini Flash bereits effiziente, kleinere KI-Modelle anbietet, die von den Kosten und Performance auf dem Niveau von DeepSeek liegen sollen.

Seit Montag hat sich Nvidia aber wieder etwas erholt und liegt jetzt im 5-Tage Trend bei -8.4%.

Der Unterschied ist aber, dass DeepSeek aus China stammt und angeblich mit viel weniger GPUs/KI-Chips ausgekommen ist als OpenAI. 6 Millionen Dollar statt Zig Milliarden für das Training des Modells.

Dazu kommen die globalen KI-Chip/GPU Export-Beschränkungen der USA, die noch von Biden eingeführt wurden und die weltweite Distribution von KI-Chips (Nivida GPUs) begrenzen soll. US-Cloud-Anbieter sollen damit weltweit eine Art Monopolstellung bei KI-Rechenleistung erhalten und sichern.

China hat mit DeepSeek diese Pläne jetzt öffentlichkeitswirksam konterkariert, wobei man aber nicht genau weiß, wieviel Compute DeepSeek wirklich für das Training des Foundation-Modells V3 und R1 benötigt hat. Es gibt auch Spekulationen, dass China in Wirklichkeit viel mehr Ressourcen und H100-Chips in das KI-Startup gesteckt hat als öffentlich bekannt.

Jedenfalls wirkt sich der DeepSeek-Moment aber auch die KI-Export-Beschränkungen negativ auf das Wachstum von Nvidia aus. Es wird damit gerechnet, dass auf Grund der aktuellen Entwicklung weit weniger Chips benötigt (und exportiert) werden als gedacht.

Auf der anderen Seite wird selbst mit effizienteren Modellen der Bedarf an GPUs wohl auch in den nächsten Jahren weiter steigen und vielleicht sogar zu noch mehr Nachfrage führen. Jevons Paradoxon. Technischer Fortschritt führt letztendlich zu einer noch größeren Nutzung des Rohstoffs (GPUs).

Was sagt ihr dazu? Was bedeutet DeepSeek für die USA und wie werden sich die KI-Chip-Export-Beschränkungen auf Nvidia und den US-Aktienmarkt auswirken? Könnte sich die USA damit sogar ein Eigentor schießen, nicht mehr als verlässlicher und fairer Partner gesehen werden?

## Nvidia (NVDA)

https://img.inleo.io/DQmc5EA2rqsUPTM6B81A2Crv5DjKXFrdLkpAQd6Xt46EhKz/image.png 

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVDA/

## DeepSeek moment

https://x.com/deepseek_ai/status/1881318130334814301

https://x.com/ylecun/status/1882943244679709130

https://x.com/daniel_mac8/status/1883855502553252234

https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1884232911932776603

https://x.com/FinanceLancelot/status/1884020387484496340

https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1883753899255046301

## US AI Chip export restrictions / sanctions

https://peakd.com/hive-121566/@vikisecrets/the-us-is-limiting-ai-chip-gpu-exports-to-austria-and-many-european-countries-to-hinder-europes-artificial-intelligence-ambitions-sanctions-still-implemented-by-the-biden-administration-ek4#@lichtblick/re-vikisecrets-sqsna0

https://x.com/natolambert/status/1877560757379846483

## English

What crashed Nvidia (NVDA)? DeepSeek or the US AI chip export restrictions/sanctions?

DeepSeek has released an open source LLM that comes close to the level of OpenAI GPT o1, in some tests even surpassing it and requires much less compute/GPUs both for training but especially in operation.

This has shocked the US and led to a correction in Nvidia shares and the Nasdaq.

Despite sanctions, China has managed to make OpenAI and the closed-source AI industry look old.

However, it is fair to say that Google already offers efficient, smaller AI models with Gemini Flash, which are said to be on a par with DeepSeek in terms of cost and performance.

Since Monday, however, Nvidia has recovered somewhat and is now at -8.4% in the 5-day trend.

The difference, however, is that DeepSeek comes from China and allegedly made do with far fewer GPUs/AI chips than OpenAI. Investing 6 million dollars instead of tens of billions for training the model.

In addition, there are the global AI chip/GPU export restrictions of the US, which were introduced by Biden and are intended to limit the worldwide distribution of AI chips (Nivida GPUs). US cloud providers are thus to maintain and secure a kind of monopoly position in AI computing power worldwide.

China has now publicly countered these plans with DeepSeek, although it is not known exactly how much compute DeepSeek really needed to train the Foundation model V3 and R1. There is also speculation that China has actually invested far more resources and H100 chips in the AI start-up than is publicly known.

In any case, the DeepSeek moment but also the AI export restrictions are having a negative impact on Nvidia's growth. It is expected that far fewer chips will be needed (and exported) than expected due to current developments.

On the other hand, even with more efficient models, the need for GPUs will probably continue to increase in the coming years and perhaps even lead to even more demand. Jevon's paradox. Technological progress ultimately leads to even greater use of the resources (GPUs).

What do you think? What does DeepSeek mean for the US and how will the AI chip export restrictions affect Nvidia and the US stock market? Could the US even score an own goal by no longer being seen as a reliable and fair partner?

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@abojode ·
Can you please hint me on what Deepseek is all about?
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@bisolamih ·
Hmm
This is a going to be a huge competition 
Nvidia should watch out of Deepseek 
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@bitandi ·
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Das ist echt krass alles
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@chinito ·
I don't see americans using deepseek.. but it serves to keep NVIDIA on its toes. Good!! 😉😎🤙
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@davideownzall ·
Every country should develop its own Ai, not to be dependant on someone else or risk data stolen... Nvidia I think got the pump before Xmas for the ai and robots talking and now getting back to normal prices

A side note, things with hivewatchers have been settled down, it's all fine now

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@djbravo ·
China has done a good job, so we've seen the US take a lot of losses, but the upside is that they're going to compete and hopefully win, which is good for us. 
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Here's my two cents: Deepseek.

Let's see how can it compete in the long term, after the buzz ceases.
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@hatdogsensei ·
I think Deepseek has the hype right now and it is interesting to see if it can sustain for a long time
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@jfang003 ·
@jfang003 "I still think the chip restriction will happen as ..."
I still think the chip restriction will happen as it would slow down China. However, I do think that it hit the investors quite hard. People are seeing that high end chips aren't needed to run these large AI models and cheaper alternatives can happen if they have good source code.
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@kerrislravenhill ·
@kerrislravenhill "So much for the Western development model where we..."
So much for the Western development model where we throw a ton of cash into tech that's over designed, over priced, and over hyped then ending up under delivering.
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@lammbock ·
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Ich denke, dass das eher ein kurzfristiger Rücksetzer als eine nachhaltige Trendwende ist. Aber mal schauen.
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@lichtblick ·
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Wahrscheinlich kommt das eines zum Anderen :-) Rehived :-)
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@longganisan ·
Deepseek is getting the most attention right now
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@lumpiadobo ·
the latest restriction of US could be the reason Nvidia drop down
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@momins ·
DeepSeek moment and AI export restrictions caused Nvidia prices to drop, OMG. You're right.
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@stayoutoftherz ·
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"Crash" ist übertrieben, die Bewertung von [NVDA](https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVDA/) ist immer noch sehr hoch.
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@successwrite ·
I guess it just respond to the market flow. It will bounce back 
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@tortangkahoy ·
I guess it depends on the trend of the market, Nvidia might be able to bounce back
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@tsnaks ·
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Deepseek is doing numbers, NVidia better watch out.
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