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body | ""What is relevant here is not whether I personally think that a post is part of a 'circle jerk' or not.. what is relevant is the general perception of the system caused by the assessment of visitors and the messages they then spread on into their world."
> But that's not what you're saying. You are specifically advocating this protocol as a means of determining whether something is participating in a circle jerk, but the protocol itself doesn't care about the content. It exists without any concept of the content. That tells me that you don't care about the content when it comes to deciding whether something is a circle jerk or not.
> Is that an invalid observation about what you're advocating here?
My point in the text you quoted is that my own personal opinion of what is or is not part of a problematic behaviour pattern is not actually relevant to my motivation here, so much as the opinion of other users who are not so engaged with Steemit already. I have weathered all of the dysfunctions here for many months - but the majority of users are not so forgiving and so they leave.
I do personally care about the content when it comes to implementing some kind of measure here, but due to the complexity of creating a useful tool to analyse content and due to the massive backlash that would result from attempting to actually analyse content in that way - I did not even attempt addressing that aspect of the issue. Regardless of how much I care about it though, it is not always possible to identify problematic content by looking at it in isolation, which is another reason why I focused more on the overall behaviour of each account. If one user posts a picture of a cat and gets a big payout, that in itself may be claimed to be evidence of some kind of rewards pool abuse, but it may actually not be.
> I am happy to receive clarity on that subject.
I can only conclude you are ignoring parts of what I am writing here, since I have already stated many times here that the purpose, from my pov, of the algorithm is to provide a metric that individual users can use in whatever way they like. There would be nothing I could do to stop website operators from implementing a filter based on that algorithm. If there is demand for a filter, then it is not wrong to provide an optional one to meet that demand - leaving the choice to filter or not to filter up to each user. Plugins that add filters for low reputation already exist and no-one has complained that I have seen.
> the second-order effects of groups of accounts which vote each other up our way, way down the list from things that even a casual new user will see and put them off.
There are certainly a range of other complaints, but this one I am pointing at is, to me, and many others near the top of the list. We all have different thoughts on that.
> Marketing 101 is to take care of your big problems first and don't draw attention to the problems way down the list that few people really care about.
I can point you to several posts on the topic of 'circle jerk' type issues from yesterday alone where people identified it as the biggest problem with the platform. If you think other problems are bigger, then fine, go ahead and address those - I address all the problems I can see and have posted on several others before I posted about this upvote issue. I am not going to hold back a solution to a problem because some people think there are bigger problems. I don't place marketing above system integrity and system integrity 101 is 'fix everything asap'.
> As a means of filtering content?
no. I didn't mention filtering content in the context of your reply and quote - you just added it in their again for your own reasons.
> In fact, it would be equally as valid and interpretation to say that an account which ranks high in the generosity index is not actually a member of any communities.
> That depends to some extent on the behavior of the most generous account (as defined by the algorithm), since all measurements are based in relation to that account. However, as stated, if this approach is flawed, then the algorithm could be adapted to based measurements against the average generosity instead, which means that we would be comparing everyone only to the average user and their average participation or non participation in any specific sub-groups. The GR is a measurement of interaction across the entire Steemit community and despite your attempt to claim that Steemit isn't a community, it is - by 'legal' definition, at least.
> Leaving aside the issue of self-loading, which is a weight which is trivial to compute and really doesn't matter for the sake of this discussion, what you have with a high generosity index is an account which specifically doesn't interact with a group of people which provide similar content.
Not necessarily, it is entirely possible to have a high GR while also interacting with groups that provide similar content. If the account also upvotes other accounts outside of that small group too. If the account only upvotes a small community of users, then it will be given a lower generosity rank, yes - that is true with the current maths - but compared to users who upvote a wide variety of accounts it might be fare to say that they actually ARE being less generous. However, since the actual definition of the word 'generosity' refers only to concepts of 'large giving', i agree that it might be best not to use the word 'generosity' at all unless the maths are more focused towards taking into consideration the overall amount of vests given to others too through the voting process. The problem there though, is that it can skew the results so that those with massive wallets are identified as being most generous simply because they have massive wallets and can easily 'give' more to others without breaking a sweat - despite them actually being generally perceived as being non-generous in relation to their wealth. So in the interests of simplicity I prefer the solution of simply dropping the word 'generosity' and using something more neutral instead, such as 'vote spread' or even something similar to what was suggested by another witness, which is neutral such as 'steemity' (although that is a bit meaningless and will attract some flak).
> You can believe that all you want, but it doesn't make it true.
I aim to release all beliefs, beliefs introduce error.
> I don't believe it's fit for purpose, and it's definitely not useful as a filtering algorithm, at least as described. You have stated, openly and outright, that you don't believe so either.
I did not say it's not fit for a filtering algorithm - I am saying that: a) I don't know exactly how useful it is until it is tested on live data. b) I am against enforced filtering in ALL cases, so I definitely don't advocate for this or any other algorithm being used to filter posts. I don't like the behavior of steemcleaners much at all and I prefer leaving things up to the community at large. Part of leaving things up to the community it empowering each individual to make decisions that are informed and that is what I am aiming at here.
> I'm not saying that users shouldn't have access to the data, I'm just saying that the algorithm and protocol are wrong and invalid. I'm saying that decision-making based on it would be poorly decided.
I intend to test and refine the algorithm, so your thoughts might change by the time I am done.
> If you have a method or algorithm which can consistently and accurately detect bots, there are a number of people who would love to talk to you about projects devoted to hunting them down and down voting them into oblivion.
I was only referring to the known list of public bots, which themselves account for vast amounts of money invested in vote buying.
> we know that some people who produce good content make use of the bots in order to try to work around the broken Discovery methodology on Steemit, it would ultimately be self-defeating
I used bots for that purpose and I agree that fixing the discovery system is more beneficial than targetting the use of bots - however, again, it comes down to practical reality in that the public perception tends often to be anti-bot, from what I am seeing and it is FAR easier and quicker to provide a bot-checker than it is to add a well tested and designed discovery system. A bot checker can be added in a couple of days and a discovery system still isn't here after months. Again, it comes down to the empowered and aware decision making processes of the individuals involved to use the stats they are shown in whatever way they see fit. You repeatedly demonstrate that you don't think much of the decision making abilities of the average users here as you automatically judge that exposing data to them will result in their behaviour changing in a problematic way. Is that not the kind of claim that is made about people's (in)ability to think that authoritarians tend to use to justify their control over what information is made available?
If the algorithm is described/explained by a hover/popup notification using intelligent wording, I don't see that it needs to be seen as misleading.
"However, adding a metric that targets no specific account and that actually pressures no-one is a 'light' way to possibly adjust the inherent imbalance of POS towards a more mutually beneficial agreement for interaction."
> So you specifically expect it to apply pressure to specific kinds of activity that you find more acceptable, activity which you have already admitted you probably don't qualify as engaging in.
I have no idea how you came to twist around the meaning of my words to mean the total opposite here. I stated clearly that the metric pressures no-one and you somehow concluded that I was specifically expecting it to apply pressure. why?
> However, when I suggest the difference is whether one builds a house with the rock or smashes in someone's head, you seem to think otherwise.
Again, I have no idea how you have come to decide to make this statement - you have completely reversed my message here for your own reasons. You stated that it makes no difference who gets voted for and I explained that it makes a lot of difference since I may, in the context of your metaphor, be either voting for a 'good' or 'bad' person. You then apparently tried to frame the situation as if it was you that was saying that who receives the vote (A 'good' or 'bad person in your metaphor) IS relevant and that actually it was me who said that the recipient is irrelevant. I may have misunderstood what you have written here, but I cannot find any other way to interpret your words.
> Supporting methodologies to keep content invisible or filter it away is smashing in heads in an undifferentiated manner
A site operator can choose to filter content on any metric they decide to filter it on and my algorithm neither implies filtering, nor advocates for it, nor includes it and is not a methodology that is in support of it - any more than suggesting we record the height of users is a method in support of filtering, since it COULD be possible to filter against user's heights." |
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title | "The Seven Day Black and White Challenge" |
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body | "Hello everyone! Today is the 5th day of the black and white challenge which I was nominated to take part with. 🎉
![IMG_20180111_082654_189.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcLNktwsrN5ivfDiJYWXubJwsNMndkwetTSPPEfGWaJSX/IMG_20180111_082654_189.jpg)
The rules of engagement are as follows:
* 7 black & white images that represent an aspect of your life
* Present one image every day for seven days
* No people
* No explanation
* Nominate someone every day. Although anyone can join in
* Use the tag: #sevendaybnwchallenge as one of your five tags
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I hereby nominate @hongchul to take part of the seven days black and white challenge.
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*Hello everyone! I am glad that you have reached reading this far. I hope you are doing well, spread love and good vibes.* 💕
See you in the next one!" |
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