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---
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</div>
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---
# v4vapp [Hive to LND Gateway is OPEN](https://v4v.app)
You can swap Hive or HBD for sats at: [v4v.app](https://v4v.app)
# v4vapp [LND to Hive Gateway is OPEN](https://v4v.app/hive)
You can send LND as Hive or HBD to any Hive account: [v4v.app/hive](https://v4v.app/hive)
# Current fees
## UTC: 13:08 10 Jun 2025
These are the current fees charged by the @V4VApp when swapping Hive or HBD into or Lightning. All fees are converted from Sats to Hive/HBD using live rates from @coingecko's [API](https://api.coingecko.com/api/v3/simple/price?ids=bitcoin,hive,hive_dollar&vs_currencies=btc,usd,eur,aud&include_market_cap=true&include_24hr_vol=true&include_24hr_change=true&include_last_updated_at=true)
Notes:
- Fees are only chanrged when converting Hive/HBD into sats or vice versa.
- Depositing Sats and Paying With Sats (***PayWithSats*** and ***KeepSats*** ) will not have significant fees (there is a 0.001 Hive fee for notifications)
- Example: if sats are sent to the Lightning Address `yourhivename@sats.v4v.app` they will be held as ***KeepSats*** on [v4v.app](https://v4v.app). You can use these sats to pay for a Lightning invoice without being charged a conversion fee.
- Example: if sats are sent to `yourhivename@v4v.app` you will receive `Hive` after a fee is deducted. If they are sent to `yourhivename@hbd.v4v.app` you will receive `HBD` again after a fee.
- Converting a sats balance held as ***KeepSats*** on [v4v.app](https://v4v.app) to Hive/HBD will carry a fee.
- Rates are taken from publicly available rate api's as close to the transaction time as possible.
This services is offered as an experiemental service: if you have any issues using it the utmost efforts will be made to make you happy.
| | Fees| Sats | Hive | HBD |
|-|-|-| -|-|
| Conversion fee (flat) || 50 sats | 0.220 Hive | 0.055 HBD |
| Conversion fee (percentage) || 1.70% || |
| Minimum invoice || 250 sats | 1.10 Hive | 0.27 HBD |
| Maximum invoice || 150,000 sats | 659.78 Hive | 163.93 HBD |
### Rate Limits
Each Hive user is limited to the following amounts in the following periods:
| Hours | Limit sats | Hive | HBD |
|-|-|-|-|
| 4 hours | 400,000 | 1,759.4 Hive | 437.1 HBD |
| 72 hours | 800,000 | 3,518.8 Hive | 874.3 HBD |
| 168 hours | 1,200,000 | 5,278.2 Hive | 1,311.4 HBD |
### HBD to Sats Examples
The following amounts of HBD will give approximately this amount in sats:
| HBD | Sats |
|-|-|
| 1 | 846 |
| 2 | 1,742 |
| 5 | 4,429 |
| 10 | 8,909 |
| 20 | 17,868 |
| 50 | 44,745 |
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