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ok great, by the sound of this we now have a million curation trails that are just going to pile onto the 1st second, and the voting will become even more concentrated since the reverse auction isn't diminishing returns on any of the larger accounts. everyone say goodbye to the genius of "curation" and say hello to "mindless voting" as people begin voting through the trending page like it's a f*cking checklist.
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Bots can easily wait for 5 minutes and make the vote at 5:01 minutes. Which is difficult for manual voters. > trending page When the post is on the trending page it's too late. You need to vote on “new”. Besides, “prove of brain” never worked and voting quality never worked.
| author | vermithrax |
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if everyone piles onto 5:01 then I will vote at 4:55 and the overall curation for that post is reduced, then someone else clips down to 4 for their personal gain and before you know it 100 accounts are scattered across the 1st 5 minutes of any giant account fighting for the scraps of curation that even remain EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD BE now we get to slap the back of our wrists together and have ""curation"" on the most gigantic and well known always-voted super accounts without reverse auction penalty. It was bad enough that people thought reducing it to 5 minutes was reasonable, and now it's 0. Unless there is some brilliant detail I'm missing, then everyone that thinks this is a good long-term idea is completely deluded. the reverse auction was much more than some shallow "anti-bot" mechanic but maybe I am the deluded one, for thinking anyone would know that
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I don’t get it. When I vote it’s same value as if I wait 20 minutes or so it seconds after a post is out/. What am I missing?
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We both joined only a month apart. We both have seen that no matter what timeout was used for initial voting the bots always won. There is fundamental flaw in the way Steem and Hive do the curation and payouts which no timeout will ever fix. People will always flock to the high profile accounts to curate on past performance instead of curating the post at hand. Which makes curation a self fulfilling prophecy.
| author | vermithrax |
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