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<a href="https://musing.io/q/cryptoandcoffee/f3hzyjvm5"><b>DO YOU THINK SELF VOTING HARMS STEEM?</b></a><p></p>
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<p>Well no, I don't believe it harms steem in anyway, but as far as steemit goes then I think it does a lot of damage. The concept of steemit is to serve as a platform to reward creativity so when people power up and shamelessly upvote their posts, comments and replies, it devalues the entire system.</p><p>Now this is not to say that people shouldn't upvote themselves, no, if you make a post then you have every right to do upvote your post, but making it a habit to upvote yourself 30 times a day is doing nothing but raping the steem reward pool.</p><p>Imagine if musing decided to continuously give itself 100% upvotes till it's voting power reached 0, it would make steemit look like a mediocre site where you can make an investment then get it back by continuously pushing a button.</p><p>As far as the steem blockchain goes, I don't think it does any harm but the idea and concept of steemit is brought to shame when people do such.</p>
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<p>I don't agree with it morally. Do you ever clap yourself after you sing or present something. You put a post up to be read by others. Not for the steem! Thats my opinion anyway and I don't upvote a post if the user has upvoted themseves immediately. </p>
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<p>Steem has stake-based voting. Steem needs people to invest fiat money in it to be worth anything. Why would you expect anyone spend money to buy Steem Power if they weren't allowed to self-upvote at all? </p>
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Yeah I heard this argument and it is a good point . But is it sustainable in the long term? If you have a large network on Steemit do you really need to upvote yourself say if you have 2000 steem or less. We are talking pennyβs. And if you are Upvoting yourself let the curation take itβs cut first. Upvote it after a day or two I started back a trail recently and some of my posts are on the trail . Therefore I am upvoting myself indirectly . Its a right pain in the arse.
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<p>I only think that self voting comments hurts Steem. It just seems pretentious to me. If I see that you voted 10% on my original post but 80% on the crap comment you left, it is going to be a big turn off.</p><p>That being said, I don't do a lot of self voting myself just because I forget to. I would rather spread my votes to some others and if I want guranteed votes, I will donate shares to steembasicincome or something like that. It is a great way to help others and self upvote in a round about way.</p>
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<p>In my opinion it depends on when you do the self vote. Right in the beginning - everything goes to you. But if you do it in the end all the Steemians that voted for the post benefit from it. </p> <p>I tend to do a self vote if a post is under 0,10 $ near pay out - it doesn't help a lot but I will get a bit more out of it ;)</p>
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<p>Yes there are some things hat we can not stop. One of the thing is Self Voting.</p> <p>One thing that I have seen in here and talking logically a Person who have highly invested in steem aka SP he sure will think of a way to get return from the investment but not in the way that it harms the reward pool. There should be a limit to it where nobody has to suffer. Your impression as a Steemit user does comes from the act that you do in here. </p> <p>Yeah those who have invested in SP they sure are thinking long term in here thus they do know the real value of the Steem and there comes few people who will do the opposite and yeah in everywhere you will find those people who will get away with this kind of act.</p> <p>But I have seen users in here who having a lot of SP and just are helping others in need and working for the better of the community.</p> <p>It is just thoughts of thyself that makes us different from one another. Self voting works fine but should be at a limit.</p> <p><br></p>
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<p>Everyone has the right over how they'll utilize their sp. So I don't think self voting harm steem. Though, excessive self voting without giving support to other participants is harmful to the steem community. That is what steemit is trying to minimize. As you up vote yourself, you should also spread the love to others</p>
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