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Using the #nobidbot tag - Some Questions... by daan

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· @daan ·
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Using the #nobidbot tag - Some Questions...
I've been using the #nobidbot tag for some time now and I'm starting to wonder what's frowned upon by the people who watch this tag. Obviously people who use this tag are against pretty much all of the bidbots that are listed on the Steem Bot Tracker, but what about other services that don't exactly sell votes? 

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# Using the Minnowsupport bot
On the Minnowsupport Discord, you have a bot which you can use to upvote your posts every 48 hours. I'm a bit hesitant to use this again, since you're essentially also getting a vote from a bot. I'm trying to use the #nobidbot tag on most of my posts, so I'd like to hear the opinion of other people on this. 

# Resteem Services
Now, I don't really use these personally, but I still like to hear what people think about this. They're not exactly bidbots, do some do offer their votes as well. They often employ shady business tactics to get more followers and regularly spam people with advertisements. I don't really think they have that much effect either, because most of their followers are probably bots or plankton. 

# Anything Else? 
In case I have forgotten anything, please share anything you can think of what would be frowned upon. I personally upvote good posts that I see under the #nobidbot and #nobidbots tags which haven't used any regular bidbots. Sometimes I do check someone's account history to be sure. 

I'm wondering how many people actually check these tags, so definitely leave a comment if you do look through these posts regularly. Thanks!
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@bozz ·
I have wondered this too since I have been using the nobidbots tag.  I had a resteem service that I used to use quite a bit and I have since stopped just to be safe.  I can say that my number of added followers has definitely gone down.  I am guessing most of them were bots, but by not using the upvote bots I think I am not gaining as many of those bot accounts.
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@conradt ·
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I wondered the same thing in the past - you would assume that the beacause the Minnow Support bot is free and available to everyone it should be fine....

But there are community bots that are not bidbots and I wondered the same thing.
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@freyman ·
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But ... who wants to follow a professional re-steemer who fills your screen with garbage? I believe that re-steemers are a problem only for people who throw their money away paying them.
Regards.
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@daan ·
That's exactly the point I was making, I don't like them, but there are still a lot of people who use them
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@gustavoadolfodca ·
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I recently used a bot of Steem Bot Tracker and I think that the investment can only be seen through SP, plus nothing. Since many times the profit in SBD does not go beyond what you use (currently) there will still be people who know how to take advantage of that. As for the Minnowsupport service, the result is not very broad in the published articles, so it is already a matter of the way of thinking of the person who uses it, such as for reputation.

Regarding the services of Resteem, you can only get a few additional votes and followers (not real) for your account, as you indicated, so it is not very reliable. Even so, there will be people who doing strategies, it suits them.
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@conradt ·
In my experience Resteem bots arent worth your time - they are generally 'follow for follow' type accounts. Yes they may have 10k followers but the majority of them are inactive or bots themselves. On top of that with the ammount they resteem your chances of being seen and upvoted by anyone with substantial SP is pretty much 0! Im pretty sure whales and even dolphins dont follow resteem accounts.
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@mgibson ·
You are right. Taking service of resteem is worthless, mainly when you are paying for it.
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@slobberchops ·
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I still use the Minnowsupport bot and the Yehey one as that was a pay once, vote forever deal. You could say @qurator is the same with its 4 STEEM one off payment.

Also the former is a FREE vote. I'm not doing paid votes, and that's the difference.

I used to use the free resteemer but its gone now, not that it made any difference in terms of extra votes.
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@daan ·
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Yeah good point about Qurator, don't they require additional payments now also? Or do you still stay in their tier 0 indefinitely?
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@slobberchops ·
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I have them on a auto-voter that votes at least $0.05 once a day, that way I'm still in the tier 1-2. It doesn't seem as big as it was in the first month.
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@steevc ·
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My criteria would be that you didn't buy votes for the post. There are various services out there, but they may get lumped together as 'bid bots'. I'm not fully sure what that term means as I don't use them.
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@daan ·
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Bid bots are the ones that allow multiple people to bid for part of a bot's vote. I'm just going to go with not paying for votes in general :)
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@toddrjohnson ·
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I've read some justification for various voting bots, but for the most part to me many of them seem to be fundamentally hurting steem because they have nothing to do with quality. Even if, as some of the powerful steem users have claimed, they are helping the steem currency through investment, I believe that they still hurt sttem, because they demoralize those who actually attempt to create quality content, but are new to Steem. The fact that the payout ends after 7 days doesn't help either and I think is a major issue here. Self voting seems to to be the antithesis of quality as well. I would love to see the removal of voting bots and 1 human to 1 account with only manual upvoting, no self-votes, and rewards after 7 days if new votes come in. That said, it appears that the powers that be have no intent to do any of that, so we must play the game as the rules command--at least within our own limits of what is fair.  I use minnowsupport to upvote one of my posts every 48 hours, and I also upvote my own main posts immediately. it still doesn't feel right, but I am not the one that made the rules--if I was I would have made different rules. My main goal right now is to build SP. I immediately power up all Steem. At first, I was also using the internal market to immediately trade SBD for Steem, then power that up as well. However, lately I've been experimenting with Minnowbooster. it seems to provide a bit of a boost over what I pay initially. However, you can only use it to upvote posts less than 2 days old and it seems that at least in some cases the payout due to the minnowbooster vote can fall back over the 7 days to where it is not clear that minowbooster is really worth using, especially after you factor in that some of their vote goes back to them as curation. 

@taskmaster4450 is encouraging a [#minnowuprising](https://steemit.com/steem/@taskmaster4450/time-for-a-minnow-uprising-overwhelm-the-system) starting on July 1. The idea is to post 3-4 posts each day for month and vote each others posts up plus self vote. I am part #steemitbloggers and will continue to vote there as well, but I'm going to participate in this uprising.
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@daan ·
About the self-upvoting, I agree that it's actually almost the same as using voting bots. In the current system it's just silly not to self-upvote though. I've personally not used Minnowbooster any more since I've started my experiment of not using any voting bots. 

I'll have a look at that minnowuprising post, seems interesting.
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@daan ·
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Another thing, seems like Steemit changed their abuse policy. This might be the end for voting bots, if I read this correctly. 

### What is considered spam or abuse?
* Asking for money, views, upvotes, follows, or resteems.
* Leaving nearly identical or materially similar comments on multiple posts.
* Comments that are unrelated to the topic of discussion.
* Sending unsolicited links or requests to users via wallet memos.
* Posts that require upvotes to enter or play in a contest or game.
* Sending users a link to your blog or a post if it is not relevant to the conversation.
* Posts or comments that include little or nothing more than an offer to trade follows or upvotes.
* Using tags that are unrelated to the post.
* Threatening users with any type of physical violence.
* Not citing sources when using someone else’s material.
* Posting β€˜not safe for work’ content without using the β€œnsfw” tag.
* **Selling or offering to buy votes/resteems/follows, or schemes that facilitate this.**
* Scams or Fraudulent offers.
Source: https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_is_considered_spam_or_abuse
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@steevc ·
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Is this only if you advertise such services in comments or transfer memos?
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@toddrjohnson ·
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The highlighted point above would seem to preclude posts and comments directly soliciting for bots and other similar activities. Lets see if it is actually enforced. Is there any way to ask the FAQ writers to interpret this?
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