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RE: Ways to Help HIVE Moon by sanjeevm

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· @sanjeevm ·
I was following the @keys-defender downvote trail to help them fight with spammers but right now I have stopped following it. @steevc is @keys-defender account compromised now ? 
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@hive-defender ·
please see my last [post](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@keys-defender/why-am-i-being-downvoted-anti-farming-feature-abused-by-ctime)
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@steevc ·
I'm not sure what is happening with that, but maybe it's gone a bit crazy. I suspect it was intended to undo votes by certain people, but it's hurting the wrong users. My own downvotes are all manual and done with care as I know others follow them.
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@omitaylor ·
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@peakd  @sanjeevm  @steevc I'm pre-fork and coming from steemit and I know @pfunk told me about a big effort to fight spammers here so it didn't turn out like Steem. I do understand things being well intentioned but I believe that these efforts may be one reason why Hive isn't retaining users. And I get that the opposite approach is almost scarily dangerous because of spammers.

I just saw a silent comment that said farming detected. I'm assuming that means that because I promoted the post (and paid for it) that it looked like I bought votes. This is strange because why allow said services in the platform to pay for promotion at all? 

My last few posts were about this. I would like to (in a happy world) onboard about 1000 users to start from another platform by adding my reflink to my next NFT distribution. I was thinking of building a community here. But I can't even get a hang of this myself. I've been massively downvoted TWICE this week out of 5 posts, murdered. None are abusive at all (unless you don't like my personal opinion. lol!)

Strongly feel that this is going to scare away new users. Is there not a whitelist program or verification program? Should not downvotes be manually audited? 

I put 60+ minutes into this post and a lot of real thought. :( 

Can't we make hive friendly?
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@jarvie ·
I understand what you're saying but you got 20 cents of downvotes... and $10 of upvotes is it really worth all this? And a 4hive tip. 

To anyone that is worried about downvotes I'd say turn off votes and focus on tips. Motivate people to tip on your stuff. Voting is a process where over a million accounts have full rights to vote UP and DOWN and they have 7 days to do it. So out of million+ accounts to expect no downvotes is maybe a very anxiety packed mindset to be in. On the other side... no one can "down tip" or "un tip" you. 
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@misterengagement ·
<center>  Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved <code>ENGAGE</code> tokens.</center>
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@steevc ·
It looks like you were temporarily on the HiveWatchers list, but have been taken off now. The trail with hive-defender seems to have been a mistake. Shit happens, but I hope it is being resolved. Hivewatcher are approachable on their Discord, but it can get busy there as there really is still a lot of abuse. Some of us do what we can to deal with it to make Hive a good place.

What is allowed and what is considered good for Hive may not be the same. I have not looked into promoting posts on peakd and have no idea what benefit it gives.

Most people on Hive are friendly, but there is the freedom to be a troll that some will exploit. We do not have to conform to any whitelists, but I think the witnesses and others want to keep abuse at bay as much as possible.

You can [verify yourself](https://hivewatchers.com/verifications/new) to Hivewatchers to avoid some issues. My own downvotes are all manual as they have impact.

I am hoping Hive can be better than Steem (which is getting worse from what I see), but it is up to us. It is technically complicated, but with tools like Keychain it gets easier. Bringing in 1000 people would make a massive difference and I hope they can be made welcome.

I cooperate with others on fighting abuse, but I act as an individual.

!ENGAGE 25
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@steevc ·
Just seen the guy behind @keys-defender is going to apologise to those affected by this issue. Unforeseen events broke his script. At least some downvotes should get removed. This does not happen that often.
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