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This post is nonsense. The changes being made do not make the system simpler, they make it more complicated. They also make it far less transparent. Steemit inc abused its users' trust when they decided to collude secretly with steemguild to use the reward pool to fund individuals casting massive self-upvotes. And literally everything proposed here would make such an ill-advised endeavor easier to conceal or more lucrative. All the while making unconvincing excuses about why that won't give up their super-exponential advantage in distributing the reward pool. I get that many top witnesses are hesitant to vote against a proposed hardfork, but i urge all of them to carefully consider the negative reprecussions of this one before agreeing to it. Rather than another pork-filled gong show, say no to this and tell INC that you want a more linear reward curve before anything else changes.
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Can you make a post asking each witness's stance and collaborative community movement?
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yeah, ive been waiting for the 'official' announcement on steemit... i am writing a post now... how many of the top 19 need to agree... is it 10/19?
author | sigmajin |
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IIRC, 16/21 witnesses need to agree to pass HF. Some other can clarify :)
author | clayop |
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Yep, Steemit Inc. should have just set the Steemguild folks up as contractors if they expected wage-level compensation. There's such a chain of consequences from that choice of how to compensate SteemGuild curators. Social platforms can sure change in a hurry!
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Steemit inc abused its users' trust when they decided to collude secretly with steemguild to use the reward pool to fund individuals casting massive self-upvotes. "And literally everything proposed here would make such an ill-advised endeavor easier to conceal or more lucrative. All the while making unconvincing excuses about why that won't give up their super-exponential advantage in distributing the reward pool." As a minnow going through the few whales downvoting and controling Steemit community I find this depressing and wonder why more steemians are not talking about this. If this continues for minnows/creatives you will lose the good content. Please, talk more about this.
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>As a minnow going through the few whales downvoting and controling Steemit community To be perfectly honest, i think the 'expirement' was an OK idea. It could have been executed and explained much better, IMO, but i think the idea behind it came from the desire to improve the user experience. @abit (who iiuc came up with the idea) has done a lot with voting to try to improve users experience (including going out of his way to upvote comments when almost no one else does). Its relatively easy to shit on people like abit and smooth when they try to do something good and it has some negative consequences.... but you have to keep in mind that the net effect of their efforts is to make every users vote _worth more_.... I don't necessarily think its the answer, but i think its a good step to figuring one out. At the end of the day, theyre trying to clean up the mess steemit inc made and refuses to take responsibility for.
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Beyond the unfounded and one-sided personal game of 'blame', it appears that these points (back to the OC) are based on leap-to judgement, misunderstanding and lack of complete information. Sorry.
author | ned |
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OK > thank you for you answer. I appreciate all the understanding and knowledge I can get.
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>Its relatively easy to shit on people like abit and smooth when they try to do something good and it has some negative consequences.. What negative consequences are you refering to? Price is up 25% as a result and minnow/dolphins have more influence.
author | snowflake |
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>As a minnow going through the few whales downvoting and controling Steemit community You got it backward. They are not controlling anything, they are giving community control back.
author | snowflake |
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Not from my experience. As long as the old timers who are in the cool kids group get the few whales to auto upvote them and then downvote those who get a little pocket change for good content (that took many hours of hard labor) I see that as a scam. Especially when steemit has promoted themselves as something completely different.
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>All the while making unconvincing excuses about why that won't give up their super-exponential advantage in distributing the reward pool. hear,hear!
author | snowflake |
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Yes, I missed this post and was under the impression that this was set in stone more or less. @sneak I think you should revisit this important issues asap, granted Dan has left there is no reason to remove that from the proposed changes, and @ned like sigmajin has said before and as any developer knows or anybody that has basic understanding of programing, changing code isn't excused by money. Ctrl+F god damnit.
author | baah |
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>hear,hear! For the record, snowflake and i have both written quite a bit about the platform, voting and changes we would like to see... and i think this is like the one thing we agree on.
author | sigmajin |
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Indeed, even the biggest enemies agree on this feature :) It's clear that there is unanimous support for this, the question is why is it being ignored? Like you said I have yet to hear anything convincing that warrant keeping this curve.
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