 A new [article](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/zcash-creator-on-the-upcoming-zcash-launch-privacy-and-the-unfinished-internet-revolution-1472568389) just appeared online from the creator of Z-cash. For all who do not know, Z-cash will be the first theoretically proven totally anonymous crypto-currency. There have been others which use sophisticated schemes like ring signatures, stealth transactions, coinjoin, or Tor, but these do not have the theoretical rigor behind them that Z-cash does. Z-cash is a complete anonymity solution which hides all knowledge about the transactions, including the values being transacted, and who the sender or receiver is. As a result, Z-cash is invisible value exchange. Is it possible to be too anonymous? ===== Invisible value exchange is definitely a double edged sword. You gain privacy which is extremely valuable in the digital environment where there is routine harassment and bullying of people perceived to have "too much wealth". At the same time this same technology which can protect a person from being bullied, can enable bullies to be bullies for hire, effectively turning electronic harassment into a trade or business. In the case where it is mercenaries for hire, something like Z-cash would allow a very wealthy individual to turn the tables on freedom fighters, activists, journalists, and developers, who get in the way of corporate or state interests. So this technology is very much a double edged sword, a two way street, and whomever has the most money in Bitcoin today, may have the most to gain from something like Z-cash. **Note:** a lot of Bitcoins, DAO and other tokens have been stolen by hackers, and at some point this money is going to be spent or need somewhere to go. Z-cash with it's inteesting properties will be most attractive to blackhats and similar hackers who today might be using Bitcoin. The problem with being totally anonymous ========== If you are totally anonymous then you have no reputation. If you are pseudo-anonymous then you have a reputation. Money isn't really as useful without a good reputation attached to it and as a participant in society, Z-cash probably will not improve the social status of it's users. On the other hand, it is possible that Z-cash can over time adopt features which allow for pseudo-anonymous reputation to be attached to it, but if Z-cash develops a stigma around it then people who have good reputations could end up staying away from it and then it could end up being one of those currencies people are embarrassed to use in public. The main problem I've identified with being too anonymous is if someone robs a completely anonymous person, the anonymous person has a great difficulty proving they were robbed. Z-cash gets this part right by offering up a concept called a "view key" which can be shared with others, so in this way if something does go wrong there is at least a view key which proves the transaction occurred from A to B. A quote from the article: > . Only those with the correct view key can see the contents. Users have complete control and can opt-in to provide others with their view key at their discretion. Giving the user complete control is a good design decision. This makes Z-cash much more practical, but will that be enough? Privacy can improve security by offering confidentiality and access control ==== Privacy is a kind of access control and Z-cash provides a user with a greater ability to control access to their financial information. This is good for the security of users, but it is not the case that private by default improves security by default. Transparency can produce security as well and the important point is to know when it's better to be private and when it's better to be transparent, and this really depends on your situation. As long as the technology offers the users the ability to control their level of transparency by determining who can access what, then the technology empowers the users and can improve security. What will law enforcement (FBI) think of Z-cash? ========= The obvious question now is that if Z-cash exists, what is the FBI and other global law enforcement agencies going to do about it? Politically it doesn't look good for the Z-cash technology ever achieving any kind of mainstream adoption. If the users of Z-cash are limited to the fringe, then they will easily be both socially and politically marginalized. Marginalized groups do not always get favorable treatment by society, and without mainstream adoption, the technology likely will be used as a pretext to further empower law enforcement under the guise that only the "bad guys" would be associated with a technology like Z-cash. As mentioned before, social currency or social status is just as important as money, and if there is a social stigma put on Z-cash by law enforcement, politicians, and high status individuals, then it will probably be just another cypherpunk toy that the masses mock in movies as we see with Bitcoin. Conclusion on Z-cash ==== Z-cash is a very interesting technology, potentially it has uses, but in the current political environment I would expect the positive uses to be overshadowed by the irresponsible uses. So from a researcher perspective, it's very interesting for sure, but from a practical or "investor" perspective, I do not expect it to catch on with the mainstream. If it doesn't catch on with the mainstream then it will be marginalized, and likely over time broken (compromised?) by the FBI and similar agencies just as Tor has been broken. Z-cash is a nice technological breakthrough that the world is not politically ready to accept or understand. At the same time looking at the markets, I do expect Z-cash could get pumped pretty high as there is demand for it's utility as we see with Monero and Dash. Z-cash is the best technology for it's use case and going forward I do not see how Bitcoin will be able to continue to compete for the same demographic. References 1. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/zcash-creator-on-the-upcoming-zcash-launch-privacy-and-the-unfinished-internet-revolution-1472568389 2. http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/government-contractor-tor-malware/ 3. http://www.coindesk.com/europe-build-database-digital-currency-users/ 4. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/zcash-creator-on-the-upcoming-zcash-launch-privacy-and-the-unfinished-internet-revolution-1472568389
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daniel.pan | 0 | 967,252,262 | 100% | ||
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tinca | 0 | 59,297,374 | 100% | ||
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steemo | 0 | 50,521,096 | 100% | ||
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vootka | 0 | 230,299,622 | 100% | ||
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Great post, I already hear about many cryptocurrencies in the past with the anonymity feature but seems that none of them became famous or trusted. Yes, being totally anonymous can be a problem too, but it would be good to have such an option.
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I wonder if there is a non currency use for this technology. Perhaps an anonymous factom or maidsafe or even ethreum.
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Nice article @dana-edwards! I agree with your short term investment advice and the observation that total anonymity brings some interesting new risks. >Z-cash is a nice technological breakthrough that the world is not politically ready to accept or understand. This is true, and that's partly why I'm glad it exists. Introducing something like Z-cash will change the current political system.
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I don't think it will change politics but it will change the narrative. People already have ways to anonymously shift value around so the only thing new here is it's being done with cryptography in an electronic fashion. At the same time it will play into the "cyberwarfare" "Snowden" "NSA" type narratives. When we see politicians talking about these topics, they usually talk about the threat of cyberwarfare, of advanced persistent threats, and now add onto it the threat of "anonymous money" and you'll see it's just another talking point which will be used by some who want to ban encryption. Of course there will be people who abuse the technology, and these people will be highlighted by law enforcement and politicians, along with mainstream media, to make it seem like the only viaible reason to use encryption is to do something shady, when the reason people would want to use encryption legitimately is just they don't trust their neighbor with certain information. Socially there is a need for privacy because neither the privacy advocates or transparency advocates seem mature about it. What I mean to say is that people who advocate privacy often ignore the security risks that come along with secrecy and anonymity. They present it as if, if we just had these technological tools, that everyone will automatically know what to do with it and how to use it to advance freedom. Unfortunately this has not been true throughout history. And the transparency advocates are naive too in my opinion because they often think if we just let everyone know everything about everyone that somehow people will know what to do with that? People tend to collect information on people to discredit them socially, and in a transparent environment then everyone is discredited, everyone looks immoral or ignorant or ugly, because everyone makes mistakes. Again, in order to have a transparent society, you need a society mature enough to look at people without moral judgment. Transparency in this society doesn't work because the current legal system and justice culture is primarily about punishment and judging, so more transparency would be great for people who want to persecute for victimless crimes but we need a society where there are no victimless crimes in my opinion before we advocate for total transparency.
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I pretty much share your thoughts. Anonymity is only useful to the extent that there is a gang of psychopaths who from time to time do bad things to good people. In the long run, as we progress to a more connected and civilized and p2p society, there isn't a need to hide things besides to do bad things. So interest in coins like this is, I think, short-sighted. It serves some purpose in the world we live in right now, but the drawbacks of anonymity means it can't ever really be the massively adopted "winner", it isn't actually a possible contender against Bitcoin like other things might be able to be. That said, I agree with you that it might be a good idea to try to get in early and ride the hype :)
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Complete anonymity can be the massively adopted winner if it is not subverted by people in power before it can catch on. That's not the same as saying it's optimal, but I do think it would dramatically improve the state of the world because it's an equalizer. You and I could support a cause or do something to defend ourselves and be just as anonymous as the most powerful people in the world. Yes, they will start out with more wealth, but maybe the introduction of this currency will help redistribute wealth in new ways.
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I don't disagree that there are uses for anonymity currently in the world as it is now. Just that those uses go down as there's less to equalize. And it's not just that the uses go down but there's no downside. There's a benefit of not having anonymity. You can use it for keeping track of who owns a stock or houses, and for reputation. Social things. There's no reason an anonymous coin would win in a peaceful world.
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> I pretty much share your thoughts. Anonymity is only useful to the extent that there is a gang of psychopaths who from time to time do bad things to good people. In the long run, as we progress to a more connected and civilized and p2p society, there isn't a need to hide things besides to do bad things. Eagerly awaiting the nude pictures of your wife and teenage daughters. Nudity is not wrong, and society is getting more connected, so..
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>Eagerly awaiting the nude pictures of your wife and teenage daughters. >Nudity is not wrong, and society is getting more connected, so.. If nudity isn't wrong then maybe you shouldn't treat it like something you should be ashamed of or paranoid about getting traced back to you. Eventually there comes a point where if someone sifts through blockchain data to try to show who is doing what, *they're* regarded as the weirdo (and they take the reputation hit more than the person posing nude). That's the type of world we're moving towards. Your uber secret stuff also abets the people who would stalk and expose other people, but prefer to do it anonymously. So there's a give and take where you're also creating the need for the nudists to take secret measures. Cute little sarcastic quip, but you don't actually have a point. Better the world, less need to hide stuff.
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How's Zcash different than Monero?
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Z-cash uses zksnarks. Monero if I remember right uses ring signatures. Reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interactive_zero-knowledge_proof
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I agree! It's not really competition between BTC and Z-Cash, but more between Z-Cash, Monero, and Dash... Personally I don't know a lot of credible sources who would like to use any of those as a lot of dirty money will be coming from them... you are left with bad actors trading with bad actors... they will need a way to wash their dirty money
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What Niche does Bitcoin fill? It seems they all compete for the anonymous "hacker friendly" currency niche. And Bitcoin can't win when trying to compete with Z-cash or even Dash from a purely technological perspective. You do make a good point about washing money and that is why law enforcement has all the exit routes monitored. If anyone tries to cash out into fiat, then there is AML/KYC.
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Not sure exactly... they seem to be the first major player though... they have name recognition which creates trust among new users... and trust can't be underestimated, even if it's not the best. Will it be the main crypto currency 20 years from now? No idea, but it has 1st mover advantage right now...
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Actually the currency in the world with the most dirt attached to it is by far the US Dollar. Should we get rid of it?
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Yes. Next question.
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> just as Tor has been broken source?
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Follow my references. The FBI has broke Tor and if the FBI could do it, what do you think of some of the more competent (or less restricted) law enforcement agencies in other parts of the world? In my opinion, any technology which allows for anonymity will be targeted by the global law enforcement agencies. The technology will be systematically compromised by any means and these agencies have both time and money on their side.
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They had zero-day exploits for Tor Browser (firefox), that is quite different from *breaking* Tor. > In my opinion, any technology which allows for anonymity will be targeted by the global law enforcement agencies. The technology will be systematically compromised by any means and these agencies have both time and money on their side. Absolutely. And we are all literally paying for that -- wonderful, is it not?
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>Z-cash is a nice technological breakthrough that the world is not politically ready to accept or understand. I dont think it is about readyness or comprehension. It is not in the best interest of the network of elites that somehow control the world and its resources to accelerate adoption of cryptocurrency. In the eyes of those who want to suppress, there is no any difference between bitcoin, z-cash or any [other](http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/07/petrocoin-kuwaiti-firm-suggests-trading-oil-in-bitcoins) novel currency.
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It is if they can control it. It depends on who manages to control it. Do the technologists maintain control or do monied people simply buy control?
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Do you think there's a solution to the problem that rich people can buy control?
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Z-Cash isn't the only crypto-currency positioning itself as an anonymous token (as opposed to pseudonymous, which is probably a more accurate description for Bitcoin). Others are Dash (previously known as Darkcoin) and Monero, which has had a particularly strong run of late (+ nearly 400% in the past month), as some so-called internet "dark markets" have begun accepting this coin. Both Dash and Monero (XMR) are in the top 10 crypto-currencies by total market cap, currently #6 and #8, respectively. Market caps for XMR and Dash are both between $78-112 million. This is an indicator of adoption rates, but still well below the market cap of Bitcoin (> $9 billion). We will be able to see if Z-cash is succeeding at convincing users of its value proposition by how its market cap compares to the incumbents after it has been launched.
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Finally, someone who admits in the possibility of too much anonymity.
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