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Bitfinex, Blockchain Hacks, and Replay Attacks Oh My - All Things that Steem’s Technology is designed to prevent. by dantheman

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Bitfinex, Blockchain Hacks, and Replay Attacks Oh My - All Things that Steem’s Technology is designed to prevent.
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The past couple of months have been full of hard lessons for everyone in the cryptocurrency space.  Bugs in the DAO code lead to hard forks of ETH which lead to Replay Attacks and now a market battle between Ethereum and Ethereum Classic.  

In the process the DAO hacker has managed to indirectly harm everyone from ETH holders to anyone doing business with Coinbase, one of many potential victims of the Replay Attack.

If the problems with Ethereum weren’t enough, there are now [reports that $72 million worth of Bitcoin may have been stolen from Bitfinex](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitfinex-hacked-hongkong-idUSKCN10E0KP).

Even steemit.com was hacked.  The difference is that Steem responded quickly, decisively, and with long-lasting technological solutions rather than one-time patches that do nothing to prevent future issues.

## All of this is Preventable 

For over 3 years I have been working to design and build next generation blockchain technologies. Steem is the product of many hard lessons in usability, scalability, and security.  Most of the lessons learned are not available on any other platform.

## Preventing Replay Attacks

Way back in November 2013 I introduced the concept of [Transactions as Proof of Stake](http://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Uploads/TransactionsAsProofOfStake10.pdf) also known as TaPoS.  

The idea behind TaPoS is that each time a transaction is signed it should reference a recent block ID. By referencing a recent block ID the signer is also certifying their opinion on the state of the blockchain and the pre-condition for the validity of the transaction.  

Over the long term this means that every stake holder is directly certifying / checkpointing the blockchain and creates a measure of consensus that is even harder to forge than redoing all of the Proof of Work on bitcoin and “migrating” the transactions.   

## Preventing Rebirth of Forks 

Assuming a blockchain will never have to hard fork is denying reality.  Bugs will happen, new features will be needed, and lack of adaptability to market conditions will eventually kill any company, product, or cryptocurrency.   

The decision to hard fork should be baked into the consensus process prior to any fork occurring.  If consensus is reached that a fork should occur, then all nodes that do not have the code for the fork should shutdown by consensus. 

Stated another way, the only way to “revive” a fork such as Ethereum Classic would be to implement a true fork and require everyone to update their code.  

Ethereum Classic is an example of a Fork that should never have existed. If the Ethereum blockchain had a true consensus process in place for deciding when to fork and *when to die* then the entire market could rest assured they are on the right fork.

Instead decisions about which fork to adopt are handled outside of blockchain consensus and therefore chaotic in nature. Failure to provide a governance structure will lead to market chaos, uncertainty, and situations like Ethereum Classic. 

## Recovering from Hacks  

Attempting to prevent hacks is a nobel, but futile effort.  Hacks are instant, and permanent.  Even with advanced multi-sig accounts, such as those supposedly used by Bitfinex, are unable to prevent the instantaneous loss of millions of dollars of cryptocurrency.

The problem is that you do not know you have been hacked until it is *too late* to fix it or recover. Hackers can slowly gather keys over time and then wait until the perfect moment to strike.

The strength of a system is not measured by how thick and impenetrable the skin is, but by its ability to heal quickly after being cut. Bitcoin, Ethereum, and most other blockchains have no system in place for healing.

[Every Steem account is associated with a recovery account](https://steemit.com/all/@dan/steemit-releases-groundbreaking-account-recovery-solution). The recovery account can be any other user on the system who knows you by some means other than your public key.  In the event that your account is stolen, the recovery account combined with your old public key has the ability to restore the account to its rightful owner.

**This is not just multi-sig**.  Multi-sig is a fixed set of signers who must cosign a transaction. The Steem recovery process considers any key used in the past 30 days to be one party to the recovery.  An attacker can change the owner keys as much as they want, it will not prevent the recovery.  

Your recovery account has no power over your account without one of your recent keys and it is not needed until after you are hacked. This is very different from any multi-sig solution currently on the market. 

There are only two people who can recover an account, the attacker or the legitimate owner. So long as the recovery agent does full KYC prior to recovering the account no hacker will attempt to recover.  In fact, there is no reason for the hacker to attempt recovery because they are already in control of the "current keys" which means they get the account by default after 30 days.

## Time locked Funds 

The key to security is *time*. It is impossible to know that your keys have been compromised until someone else signs something with them.  By the time they sign, it is too late.

Imagine if there was a 24 hour delay during which your transfer could be recovered with the help of your recovery agent.  With such a system in place a hacker would have to divulge the hack by using your keys, but would be powerless to prevent you from recovering your account and canceling the transfer.  

If the hacker managed to compromise both you and your recovery agent, then the recovery agent would go to their recovery agent first, then recover you.  This process could continue indefinitely so long as everyone could recover within the allotted time.  The probability of a hacker compromising all of those accounts at the same time is vanishingly small.

All of these things require time with the ability to cancel.  Without time delay hacks are impossible to detect until after they irreversible.  Banks have known this for a long time. They implement daily withdraw limits, 24 to 72 hour pending periods, etc.  

The vast majority of cryptocurrency wealth needs to be locked behind similar protections. The only funds that should exist as liquid “cash” are those which are needed immediately and which the holder of said funds can afford to lose.

## Steem Solves these Problems

95% of all Steem value is subject to time release, all accounts can be recovered so long as you have any owner key used in the past 30 days and the signature of your recovery agent.  All transactions implement TaPoS which prevents replay, and the decision to hard fork is built into the consensus protocol itself.  Any nodes that don’t know the details of the hard-fork will automatically shutdown at the consensus defined time. 

If Bitcoin and Ethereum implemented these features then Coinbase wouldn’t be suffering from Replay, Bitfinex would be able to recover their funds, and either Ethereum or Ethereum Classic would not exist.  

These features make everyone more secure, and isn’t that the whole point of Cryptocurrencies in the first place? What good is a cryptocurrency that is statistically less secure than the funds in your bank?  It is time for a change.
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@abit · (edited)
//Update: I was wrong. It's working fine. For details please check https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/244 .

--- Original Post ---
I noticed that with current client implementation the `ref_block_num` in transactions are usually far away from where it should be "recent", so usually little effect to prevent from replay attacks. for example
```
 get_block 3815965
...
"transactions": [
{"ref_block_num": 14875,...},
{"ref_block_num": 14876,...},
{"ref_block_num": 14875,...},
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```
Will fire an issue to github.
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@acidyo ·
Oh man, I am glad to be in safer hands on the steemit wallet than on any exchanges these days. Its dangerous times out there, I have suggested anyone and everyone to paper down on their wallets or go cold.
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@alexgr ·
Fund recovery is definitely one of the weakest points of all cryptocurrencies. Let's hope that changes in the future with technologies like protocol-based account recovery.
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@alifton ·
@dantheman I really enjoy the level of insight and transparency you have given to Steemit.  While I agree that time is definitely a huge mitigating factor when it comes to security, so is peer review and allowing others to fiddle with the source to see exactly what they can and can not do with it.

You're definitely in new and unprecedented territory with this platform and from what I've seen in my week or so here you guys are on point.  When it comes down to it you managed to pull off a very impressive feat.  As soon as I heard about the Steemit hack I though, "Here we go again another dead cryptocoin" but you guys fixed it with a quickness.

You managed to merge crypto, social media, and all but reinvented the proverbial wheel. The speed with which you have solved major problems that would have stopped many projects dead in their tracks long before they came to fruition truly is something to be proud of.  Your hard work and the time you've put in to making this a platform built to last shows and I wish your project and team all the best in revolutionizing crypto-media as the new gold standard for social media platforms.

Kudos guys!
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@andrew0 ·
I'm going to bookmark this post because it gives really detailed infos about the technology behind Steemit, from a developer's standpoint. Thank you!
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@anduweb ·
One thing that needs to be emphasized more I think, is the level of involvement you and everyone at Steemit Inc. is weighting in. You get down to everyone's level, read their posts/comments, respond to their posts/comments and inform the entire community directly through posts like this one. All on Steemit.com, the center of this ecosystem. 
#### Who else has that?
It is the cornerstone of Steem and Steemit. We don't need to convince anyone that Steem is bulletproof. Look at the charts. Steem has been affected but by the bubble created not directly by the events.
Keep on the awesome work and we'll rise to the moon!
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@angusleung100 ·
In the future, I wonder if exchanges such as Kraken or Shapeshift will migrate to decentralized, blockchain-based exchanges so  that they will be harder to take down. For example, BitSquare, I have never really heard of BitSquare report funds stolen from attacks.

Due to decentralization and blockchain confirmations which combat the power of many systems attacking a centralized place.
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@antfield · (edited)
From yesterday the situation of cryptocurrency may shift near to the edge of the cliff again. I do agreed all points that you mention, nice combination of old banking system and new blockchain tech.
But Steemit itself need more wide spreed and time to proof itself, since it still in beta and there may be a big loop hole that cause Steemit to collapse during development. Time will tell. 
As for social platform, I have to say that Steemit as of today still not attractive enough for the outsider. We may know that Steemit have such potential cause we love Steemit, so do I. But not  My experience introducing Steemit to my wife serveral days ago, she has no interest joining Steemit why? After she seen the trending she pick up some post she interest and her opinion is "How the hell these post get thousand dollars worth?". Note that at that time most trending post were Steem-releted, cryto-releted, and some posts about travel, you may guess which category that she pick up. 
Now I decided not suggest Steemit to my friends or family, only someone I see fit I may try suggest them cause Steemit not suit everyone not now. 
In my opinion, two major factors Steemit lacking in the eye of outsiders
1. Convenience
2. Diversity 

Anyway Keep up for good works, I know you can do it.
Cheer!!
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@azurejasper ·
Thanks for a really well written article! You covered a lot of ground, a lot of valuable information!
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@bbrewer ·
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I am trying to find ways to add value to the Steemit community and I feel that @dantheman's message is important enough to translate into Spanish. Did you know that there are approximately 427 million people in the world who speak Spanish? This is a skill that I have that hopefully will be valued. I am open to constructive criticism of my translation as this is my first time translating content about cryptocurrencies. And in case you are wondering, I DID NOT JUST COPY THE TEXT INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. If that were the case, the quality of the translation would be much lower (in my biased opinion). Thanks.

Traducido con cariño por @bbrewer

Bitfinex, Hackeo de la Blockchain (cadena de bloques), y el Ataque de Reinyección, Dios Mío – Todas las Cosas que la Tecnología de Steem es Diseñada a Prevenir – Traducción del Artículo Escrito por @dantheman el 3 de Agosto 2016

Los meses mas recientes han estado llenos de lecciones dificiles para todos en el mundo de criptomonedas. Los errores en el código de la DAO (Organización Autónoma Descentralizada) resultaron en en la ejecución de los hard-forks (bifucaciones duras del codigo principal) de ETH, los cuales resultaron en ataques de replay (reinyección) y ahora una batalla entre los mercados de Ethereum y Ethereum Classsic.

En el proceso, el hacker de la DAO ha logrado hacer daño a todos, desde los que poseen ETH a cualquier persona haciendo transacciones con Coinbase, una de muchas víctimas potenciales del ataque de reinyección.

Y si los problemas con Ethereum no fueran suficientes, ahora hay noticias que $72 milliones de Bitcoin puede haber sido robado de Bitfinex.

Los hackeos también incluyeron a steemit.com. La diferencia es que Steem respondió de manera rápida, decisiva, y con soluciones tecnológicas duraderas en ves de soluciones temporales que no impiden problemas en el fúturo.

Todo Esto Se Puede Evitar

He estado trabajando por más de 3 años para diseñar tecnologías de blockchain de próxima generación. Steem es el producto de muchas lecciones dificiles de capacidad de utilización, escalabilidad y seguridad. La mayoría de las lecciones aprendidas no están disponibles en ninguna otra plataforma.

El Evitar Ataques de Reinyección

En Noviembre 2013, yo presenté el concepto de Transactions as Proof of Stake (transacciones como prueba de participación) también conocido como TaPoS.

La idea detrás de TaPoS es que cada ves que una transacción es firmada, debería incluir una referencia a una ID (identificación) de bloque reciente. Al hacer referencia a un ID de bloque reciente, el firmante también está certificando su opinión sobre el estado de la blockchain y la condición previa para la validez de la transacción.

Al largo plazo, esto significa que cada stake holder (tenedor de apuesta) está certificando directamente/creando controles en la blockchain y creando una medida de consenso que es aun más dificil de falsificar que reinventar toda la Proof of Work (prueba de trabajo) en bitcoin y “migrar” las transacciones.

El Evitar el Renacimiento de las Bifucaciones

El asumir que la blockchain nunca tendrá necesidad de una bifucacion dura es negar las realidad de las cosas. Habrán errores in el código y la necesidad de nuevas funciones y la falta de adaptabilidad de las condiciones del mercado eventualmente causarán el fin de cualquier compañía, producto, o criptomoneda.

La decisión de hacer una bifucacion dura debe estar integrada en el proceso de consenso antes que se ejecuta cualquier bifucación. Si se logra consenso que la bifucación debe de ser ejecutada, entonces todos los nodos que no tienen el código de la bifucación deben ser apagados por consenso.

En otras palabras, la unica manera de “revivir” una bifucación como Ethereum Classic sería implementar una verdadera bifucación y requerir que todos actualizan su código.

Ethereum Classic es un ejemplo de una bifucación que nunca debe haber existido. Si la blockchain de Ethereum tuviera un proceso integrado de consenso verdadero para decidir cuando hacer una bifucación y cuando debe dejar de existir entonces el mercado entero podría estar seguro que están en la bifucación correcta.

En lugar de esta seguridad, las decisiones sobre la adopción de una bifucación o la otra se efectuan fuera del consenso de la blockchain y como resultado estas decisiones son caóticas en su naturaleza. El fracaso en proveer una estructura de gobernancia resultará en caos en el mercado, incertidumbre y situaciones como Ethereum Classic.

El Recuperar de los Hackeos

El intentar a evitar los hackeos es un esfuerzo noble pero fútil. Los hackeos son instantes y permanentes. Aun con el uso de cuentas avanzadas de multi-firma, como los que supuestamente se utilizan en Bitfinex, no se puede evitar la pérdida de milliones de dolares de criptomonedas.

El problema es que no sabes que has sido víctima de un hackeo hasta que ya sea demasiado tarde para arreglarlo o recuperar. Los hackers pueden gradualmente acumular claves a través del tiempo y luego esperar hasta el momento perfecto para atacar.

La fuerza de un sistema no se debe medir por el la dificultad de penetrar la piel, sino por su capacidad de sanar rápidamente después de ser cortada. Bitcoin, Ethereum y la mayoría de las otras blockchains no tienen ningún sistema puesto para sanarse.

Cada cuenta de Steem está asociada con una cuenta de recuperación. La cuenta de recuperación puede ser cualquier otro usuario en el sistema que te conoce por algun modo que no sea tu clave pública. En el evento que su cuenta ha sido robada, la cuenta de recuperación combinada con su clave pública anterior tiene la función de restaurar la cuenta a su dueño legítimo.

Esto no se limita a multi-firma. Multi firma es un cojunto de firmantes quienes tienen que co-firmar una transacción. El proceso de recuperación de Steem considera cualquier clave utilizada en los últimos 30 días como una parte para ejecutar la recuperación. Un agresor puede cambiar las claves todo lo que quieran pero no puede evitar la recuperación de la cuenta.

Tu cuenta de recuperación no tiene ningún poder sobre tu cuenta sin una de tus claves recientes y no se necesita hasta que hayas sido víctima de un hackeo. Esto es muy diferente de cualquier solución de multi-firma que actualmente existe en el mercado.

Solo hay dos personas que pueden recuperar una cuenta, el agresor o el dueño legítimo. Con tal de que el agente de recuperación haya ejecutado KYC (conoce a tu cliente) antes de recuperar la cuenta, ningún hacker inentará a recuperar la cuenta. De hecho, no hay ningún motivo para el hacker de intentar a recuperar la cuenta porque ya tiene control de las “claves actuales” lo cual significa que se apodera de la cuenta por defecto después de 30 días.

Los Fondos Asegurados Con Tiempo

La clave para la seguridad es tiempo. Es imposible saber que tus claves han sido comprometidas hasta que otra persona haya firmado algo con ellas. Una vez que firman, es demasiado tarde.

Imagine si existiera una demora de 24 horas durante lo cual tu transferencia podría ser recuperada con la ayuda de tu agente de recuperación. Con tal sistema puesta un hacker tendría que divulgar el hackeo al usar tus claves, pero estará impotente para evitar la recuperación de tu cuenta o de cancelar la transferencia.

Si el hacker pudiera lograr comprometer tanto tu cuenta como la cuenta de tu agente de recuperación, entonces el agente de recuperación tendría que ir a su propio agente de recuperación primero y luego recuperarte a tí. Este proceso podría continuar indefinidamente hasta el punto que todos podrían recuperar su cuenta entre el tiempo permitido. La probabilidad de que un hacker comprometa todas estas cuentas al mismo tiempo es infinitamente pequeña.

Todas estas cosas requieren tiempo y la capacidad de cancelar. Sin la demora de tiempo los hackeos son imposibles de detectar hasta después de que sean irreversables. Los bancos han sabido esto por much tiempo. Implementan límites diarios de retiros, períodos para transacciones pendientes de 24 o 72 horas, etcétera.

La gran mayoría de la riqueza de criptomonedas se necesita asegurar con protecciones similares. Los únicos fondos que deben existier como “dinero en efectivo” son los que se necesitan inmediatamente y los cuales el dueño está dispuesto a perder.

Steem Resuelve estos Problemas

95% de todo el valor de Steem está sujeto a la seguridad de tiempo, todas las cuentas se pueden recuperar con tal de que tu tienes cualquier clave de dueño utilizada en los últimos 30 días y la firma de tu agente de recuperación . Todas las transacciones implementan TaPoS, lo cual evita reinyección, y la decisión de efectuar una bifucación dura está integrada en el protocolo de consenso. Cualquier nodo que no sabe los detalles de la bifucación dura se apagarán automaticamente en el momento definido por el consenso.

Si Bitcoin y Ethereum fueran a implementar estas funciones entonces Coinbase no estaría sufriendo de reinyección, Bitfinex podría recuperar sus fondos y no existiría ni Ethereum ni Ethereum Classic.

Estas funciones hacen que todos estén más seguro, y ¿no es eso el punto entero de criptomonedas en primer lugar? ¿De que sirve una criptomoneda que es estadísticamente menos segura que los fondos en tu banco? Es tiempo para un cambio.
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Thank you! Looks like I will be powering up! Also glad to know that our Spanish speaking audience is truly valued.
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@ben.zimmerman ·
This is a great and informative post. Much appreciated! How do we choose our security partner? Is this something that needs to be done prior to potentially getting hacked? Thanks for protecting us :-)
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@dantheman ·
by default the account that created your account is your security partner.  Most likely us.  It will take some more work to make the UI accessible for setting other partners, but it is fully possible on the blockchain today.
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@busser ·
Of all crypto top caps, Steem is best in problem managing this summer. It's the most advanced blockchain. It would be very interesting to know @dantheman opinion about Casper simulation from https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/760185856057638913
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### ![VitalikButerin](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/421617820644810752/rncc5OWi_normal.jpeg) **[Vitalik Buterin](https://twitter.com/@VitalikButerin/status/760185856057638913)** tweeted @ 01 Aug 2016 - 18:50 UTC

> Casper PoC3 backbone simulations: 3s block time, 1.25s avg latency + 2s avg clock offset: 1% stale rate https://t.co/hMF2m30aG7


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@caonguyendl ·
If blockchain.info hacked, it will be the doomsday of the Bitcoin.
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@coinz ·
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I like the fact that you humble enough to say that a hack is inevitable and the true test is how you recover or at least I'm paraphrasing.  

It's getting really old having "security" as a primary marketing tool for various coin schemes, markets, etc when in reality we see massive security breaches on a regular basis.  Blockchain is the real deal, IMO, but until we can get the middleman (off blockchain exchanges, etc.) out of it, we have a real image problem.  Because truthfully you can park your money in a US bank and it will be safer in the current climate and I'm a Bitcoin enthusiast.
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@craig-grant ·
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I read every word, and agree 100%
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@dana-edwards ·
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Steem Power is one of the safest places to be right now and it's time to invest some marketing effort into showing that. Too much effort goes into attracting bloggers and not enough to promote Steem Power. Now that Bitcoin is going down and probably will keep being suppressed by 100,000+ Bitcoins, it's only a matter of showing traders where the safe place is.
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@liondani ·
Same goes for Steem Dollars (SBD) !!!
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@therealnivok ·
All I'm seeing is the value of my steem power going down everyday and I need to buy 10x more steem power before  I can cash out over a period of years, safe as houses my fat arse.
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@piramida ·
Yeah but it is completely illiquid, the same as buying a house. It may be safe (unless the market crashes), but will take a year to sell.

But if you could get an immediate loan based on the amount of SP you have, that would change things :)
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@satire ·
Why do you say that? What's so safe about being unable to protect your value? (Honest question not an attack)
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@denisoi ·
With all this mess around Ethereum people will lose again credibility in crypto . I was an Ethereum holder but with the latest news a big mess was created in my head and i didn't know what to believe. 

I sold all my ETH and i invested in Steemit because looks more promising. Even if also Steemit got hacked i was very surprised how @dantheman and the team acted.. not like the Ethereum guys which now nobody knows on which boat are..
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@dimitriy ·
Cool
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@donkeypong ·
Yes, it is time for a change!!! This is one of your best articles to date and I hope it goes viral.
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@dvaryani ·
Crypto currencies are assumed to offers us two things: independence and security. Both Etherum and Bitcoin would have been more steady and safe if they followed to execute the characteristics given above. Steem did it the correct way and for this reason I believe in the Steem technology.the steem technology has implemented it totally in a different way and has also created aawareness among users which is what making it raise in the crypto world
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@edbriv · (edited)
gracias por su post friends and sorry for the hassle but could help me in this cause gives a Upvote to Venezuela!
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@dantheman · (edited)
$6.13
This type of off topic advertizing is a quick way to get downvotes and hurt your reputation.  I will ask others with less weight to downvote you as a warning until we get a GUI in place that lets me downvote with less weight than my full weight would would send you straight to -5 or -6.

Update: after reviewing your post and seeing this same spam in dozens of places plus the blatant vote begging, I decided to downvote you anyway.   We are updating the reputation system such that my downvotes are not enough to singlehandedly censor you.   You can still come back from this, but it will require being respectful of others.
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@doctorstrange ·
Is it unreasonable to have more than one upvote and downvote option? 

Intuitively when we see the flag we think it's for spam and abuse, and the tooltip says that flagging the post  can take away rewards and make material less visable. This can be a severe penalty and more than a "downvoter" would be comfortable with. They may just disagree, or think the post is poorly conceived, but not want to penalize so harshly.

Conversely, there are posts, like those from @dantheman, that feel like they are not quite deserving of a large monetary payout, but are still very much appreciated. Like the post that is made here. I assume there are many others like me that really would like to give an upvote to this post, but don't want to because there are other posts that deserve reward more than yours here, but we still want to voice our appreciation by giving the "thumbs up".

It would seem that there is no downside to having a thumbs up thumbs down option that doesn't affect monetary rewards, along with the upvote reward button and the flag for abuse option.

I can only assume that such an idea has already been considered, but if not I wonder what the issues might be for implementation as it would seem to solve a problem while introducing only a modicum of complication to the system.

Cheers
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@edbriv ·
@dantheman la verdad no pretendía que me dieras downvote ahora no puedo ayudar a mi pais por tu culpa solo quería publicitar mi contenido por favor elimina tu downvote para poder continuar con mi campaña acabas de dañar mi reputacion
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@liondani ·
> until we get a GUI in place that lets me downvote with less weight than my full weight would

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@mrzazaful ·
@dantheman hope you roll that out soon. There is a whole community of people that have been downvoted once by a whale and effectively banned from the platform. For instance I was downvoted once by @berniesanders two weeks ago when I was a new user for not knowing the convention, and now I can't participate.
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@timsaid ·
In the last days I saw many user who spam frequently. How about having a group who can report these spammers and an admin decides whether  or not do downvote or completely censor them? The reputation system is definitely a great step towards  improving our ecosystem and making people think twice before they spam. Looking forward for more solutions to reduce this annoying behavior. In case I come up to an idea I will try to spread the word :) (but not the spammy way lol)
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@edbriv ·
Please @chryspano I so beg eliminates your DOWNVOTE this comment me is affecting a lot
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@edbriv ·
@dantheman  hello dan
i need help
https://steemd.com/tx/95e9d78c472f6b3ec8e8bdc61b6c9a771fbbf54a
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Tx 95e9d78c.. | Steem Block 3767489 | Steem
You gave me downvote a comment or any publication that realize and that has damaged my reputation was 5 but now I -6 you hurt me under 10.00 points please remove your downvote I'm not a robot and I need to liven up a campaign of my country Venezuela
please answer me
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@ethbull ·
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I wish i could change my Username
https://httpsimage.com/img/steemitWhale.png
Good Read
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@evan7 ·
Thanks to you, @dantheman, and all the Steem developers for creating the change that you wish to see in the cryptocurrency world (and beyond).  Having followed BitShares from the beginning, I have seen all the innovation that is finally finding a larger audience through Steem, and it's exciting for me to witness this evolution of cryptocurrency towards mainstream adoption.
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@fubar-bdhr ·
No matter how well you design it you can't prevent government intervention at the exchanges that can cause unforeseen problems.   If the bitfinex hack was the result of government regulations requiring the funds to be kept the way they were for the exchange to operator the same thing can happen to any currency stored on such an exchange for trading.
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@blokzinciri ·
I did not know the governments regulated cryptos.
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@fubar-bdhr ·
The exchanges have to follow regulations to operate in various countries.  In this case they had to change the method used to store coins to satisfy US regulations.  They aren't regulating the crypto but how they do business.
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@fyrstikken ·
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One of the best articles I have read on this subject. Very well worded, and I totally agree with you @dantheman It is absolutely time for a change!
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@gikitiki · (edited)
I was always taught that the only way to prevent a cyber-attack is to unplug the ethernet cable - It's not if, it's when.  This article very clearly shows that steem not only understands that risk, but also has a recovery plan.    

Thank You
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@holzmichl ·
Thank you for the hint for the recovery account, I was not aware of this awesome feature of Steem.

Well done!
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@igorphoto ·
Man! free Tamara 1989!thank you
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@inertia ·
$0.03
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@anduweb ·
Should have put it in Steem or SBD hahaha
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@infinitor ·
When I read about the Bitfinex hack this morning, the first thing that came to my mind was how would Steemit deal with such an attack if it happened considering something like this already happened before. Your post clears a lot of the stuff up and shows that you guys have really learned a lot from the last time when something like this happened. [I wrote an article about the hack earlier today](https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@infinitor/bitcoin-exchange-hacked-bitcoin-price-down-by-20-my-analysis)

Kudos to you guys for this magnificent system!

Kudos to you guys.
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@inkbit ·
A complex cryptocurrency finally explained in a succinct way. Understanding the similiarities to what is accomplished with banks really opens my eyes. Banks using time to prevent theft and fraud, and people holding cash only when they are using it are two money strategies that Steemit has put into code.
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@innuendo · (edited)
>  The recovery account can be any other user on the system who knows you by some means other than your public key.

Is this feature available yet? 
Is it possible to assign the recovery account in the GUI?
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@cryptofunk · (edited)
I can't find the feature either. Could this be because we have already been hacked and a hacker has set themselves up as the recovery account?
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@cryptofunk ·
I've written a post about it incase anyone has the answer https://steemit.com/steem/@cryptofunk/steemit-com-hack-and-recovery-account-settings
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@intelliguy · (edited)
$0.95
One thing I've never understood is this...

I learned about the hack from others, and immediately took action, and changed my keys.

My old key (even if it was not compromised) is no longer needed by me.

My worry is that the hacker, now has 30 days to use my old key to recover my account without me constantly realizing it.

My guess is that if it happens, I could also use my new key to recover the account again?

So for 30 days, I have to sit here, wondering if the hacker is going to use the recovery method to recover my old key, so they could xfer funds.

Dan? Any advice?  Thanks.

I think this part is the important part: "and the signature of your recovery agent"

So my recovery agent is currently the @steem account itself?
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@dantheman ·
He would have to pass our ID checks which means he would have to hack your reddit or facebook account.  If he did do that, then we would up the level of KYC on your account.  Posting a quality introduce yourself post with photos is a good way to help secure your account.
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@jackkang ·
No more hacking
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@thatsnumberwang ·
Steem isn't Ethereum, it should be safe?
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@jjchic ·
Precaution is better than cure. Somehow viruses do mutate. Anyway great work has been done on Steemit. Steem on!
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@joelinux ·
The speed and professionalism  in response to the steemit hack was awesome.
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@johnnyyash ·
How much of that $4,576.04 do you actually get?
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@johnsmith · (edited)
$0.08
TL;DR: Steemit has made crypto secure for the average user without the average user needing to know anything about making crypto secure. Steemit FTW!
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@karbonxx ·
<b>All I can say is</b>
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@kingjohal ·
solid post
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@knozaki2015 ·
hi dan.
totally unrelated question, but you hope you will see it.

i just made a mistake sending out some SBD to a Steem adress at bitfinex.

do you know if it will just come back? or will it be lost?
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@levycore ·
I,have read and agree with you
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@liberosist · (edited)
$0.81
The Ethereum Classic mess was entirely avoidable. It was driven by FUD and greed.

I hope this post gets out to the crypto world. While I'm not an expert on the matter, the solutions Steem has employed do seem logical. 

These hacks, exploits and chaos needs to stop, or cyptocurrency will never be adopted by the mainstream.
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@naifaz ·
Yep the Ethereum clasic could have been prevented. I blame complacency as well as greed. Steem solves a lot of these issues.
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@lorddominik007 ·
Hello, 
I'm very new to Steemit (4 days only) and have been very much enjoying my stay here. Unfortunately I seem to have gotten flagged for promoting my blogs in the comment sections of other peoples blogs. I didn't know you weren't supposed to do this - I wrote a post asking about this and not many people responded, but those who did said it was ok, if it belongs to the same category. 
I had no idea I was flagged, because nobody gave me a warning about my behaviour and flags don't have a notification. I only noticed after the rep implementation because my rep was -6, that's @isaac.asimov level and even higher than some spam bots... 
I would like to apologize for promoting my posts - I won't do it again.
Can someone please help me get my reputation back up, so my posts are visible again ?
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@lukestokes ·
$0.19
> The key to security is *time*.

Thank you for this insight. As someone who loves efficiency and transformation, I often miss this simple, somewhat conservative, viewpoint. 

> What good is a cryptocurrency that is statistically less secure than the funds in your bank?

This, I think, is one of the main reasons many of my friends have never joined the cryptocurrency bandwagon. They see huge price volatility, scary headlines about hackers and thieves, and they just move on. Steemit could change this (it got my wife into crypto after 3 years of me failing to do so). The innovations you and your team are consistently putting out are amazing. I've never been a fan of an altcoin until I found Steem. Please keep up the great work.
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@mammasitta ·
$0.09
I am like  your wife @lukestokes many of my friends tried to convince me but steemit finally did it . I am still in crypto currency "baby shoes " but slowly I get it! Get as much steempower as possible  and be patient .
👍  ,
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@rem870man ·
Thanks for the confidence re-instilled. I'm going to start buying steem instead of just earning it.
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@mahmoudshokri ·
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@meteor78 ·
👍great post @dantheman
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@metu2222 ·
you are right
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@modprobe ·
$0.46
Is this "reversible transactions" thing turned on for everyone, or is it strictly opt-in? And does that go the full 30 days? How deeply will that recurse? Rewinding an entire subtree of transactions sounds rather expensive... Not to mention it screws over anyone who received the stolen funds as payment.
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@dantheman ·
I think you misunderstood the nature of the solution.  

Any transaction that was reversible would not show up in someones account until it could be spent.  Thus, payment is never "received" until it is irreversible.  Both parties know "payment is on the way".
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@mootadoe ·
Yeah, what they said!
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@mrosenquist ·
The forethought of design is impressive.   The strategic cybersecurity cycle incorporates Prediction, Prevention, Detection, and Response.  You are showcasing the Predictive skills necessary to empower more effective Prevention, faster Detection, and more efficient Response (recovery in this case).  

I have been worrying about the design of Steem security controls for a few days.  Cryptocurrencies, in fact all fiat currencies, are founded on trust.  As we have seen lately, lack of proper security oversight and planning can cause a serious impact to trust, which creates a detrimental cascading effect.

So it is good to hear where your head is at and what you have done to mitigate the risks.  Well done sir!
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@mrosenquist ·
Oh, and on a side note, I think you inadvertently answered my main question about Steemit security I had posted here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@mrosenquist/crytpocurrency-is-a-target-for-hackers-is-steemit-ready

So thanks for that!
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@mughat ·
I would like to option to put a time release lock on some of my SBD and/or STEEM. Like for example 30 days. This way I would feel more secure holding large amounts of SBD on steemit. Only the SBD that is not in time lock can be stolen. Would that be a feature you would add in the future?
👍  
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@dantheman ·
$0.07
Yes, we are planning on adding such a feature.
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@nelu.ceban ·
steem was perfect stable during last night. this is a great.
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@nphacker · (edited)
$0.04
I think this is a problem inherent to exchanges containing a central authority in general. This is why I am a proponent of experiments such as [bitsquare](https://bitsquare.io/) which try to provide a secure solution in which users can exchange currencies without worrying about a Mt.Gox or Bitfinex situation. 

I definitely agree with your statement that if Bitcoin and Ethereum implemented the features that Steemit has put into place, but having an exchange be decentralized itself would also be a huge step in preventing hacks. If there was a feature on steemit.com that allowed users to convert STEEM to bitcoin securely that would be awesome, and since everything is open source there is nothing stopping developers from creating a secure STEEM exchange that is decentralized as well. :)
~ Np
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@omfedor ·
A big thank you for your work, @dantheman!

What you wrote seems very natural and proper. And it's strange why this is not implemented in Bitcoin and Ethereum. In any case, nice to know that Steem ahead of them from a technological point of view. This means that all the optimism that lives in the hearts of Steemians is under a real basis.
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@orly · (edited)
In other words, it's easy to have control over forks, recovery mechanisms and other protocol changes when you have a proof of stake system where you hold 2.5x as much stake as the next guy, only a handful of people are involved in actual decision making and the vast majority of the users only interact with the blockchain through your centralized interface.

Yes, the steem network technically does have the potential for truly decentralized decision making, but we're not there yet (whether we ever will remains to be seen).
And until we are there, please don't try to sell the lack of true decentralization as some magic advantage over real distributed community decision making.
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@dantheman ·
$0.12
Our interface is opensource and many clones will start appearing.  Steem is getting increasingly decentralized over time and its protocol will become increasingly stable.   Your concerns are all temporary situations that all new systems face.  The goal is to mature into decentralization.
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@orly ·
Yeah that makes sense and I look forward to seeing it happen. I'm just saying, as it becomes less centralized, decision making and responding to unexpected events will definitely get a lot trickier.
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@pablo.escobar ·
Good stuff. :D
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@paco ·
Thanks for the great uplifting read today. Steemit is awesome!
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@phanie90 ·
for information, very helpful
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@pinklee ·
Steemit has done a very good job in identifying what need to improve in crypto technology. Bravo! Agreed with @liberosist that all these hacks and chaos got to end!
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@quicksilv3r ·
https://steemit.com/bitfenix/@quicksilv3r/to-bitfenix-hackers
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@r0achtheunsavory ·
Dan, I don't believe you covered the real basis of what's going on with Eth vs Etc.  The existence of the two chains created a prisoner's dilemma with misaligned economic incentives for different parties, which then turned into a rough consensus attack.  

Scroll down to the 2nd half of my post here where I talk about that more (right under the bitcoin fib level chart):

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@r0achtheunsavory/the-r0ach-report-vol-2-bitcoin-happenings-and-ethereum-rough-consensus-attack
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@rahmat ·
whether these events are causing prices to decline bitcoin ???
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@rednetkjh ·
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@rednetkjh/bitcoin-chart-analysis-service
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@saharov ·
hacker give away 1000 bitcoin
https://steemit.com/steem/@saharov/1000-btc-giveaway-from-your-friend-rekcahxfb-gift-from-hacker-bitfinex
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@sisterholics ·
long live steemit!
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@steemid24 ·
you can see @dantheman https://steemit.com/bitfinex/@steemid24/bitfinex-hacker-giveaway-1000-btc-to-bitcointalk-user
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@steemrollin ·
Thanks for creating a best-in-class real world blockchain!   These are incredibly innovative and practical solutions that seem far ahead of most blockchain solutions today.  I think it's going to take many years for developers in other ecosystems to even understand how important these features are.  Really excited about all the potential.  BTW In terms of irreversibility the burden of risk for transfers of stolen funds would be placed on exchanges/bridges/gateways/merchants.  For the most part I think that's fine because these institutions can create their own limits, but just wanted to know how you envision the reversibility of transferring hacked/stolen funds.  Also I was wondering if it would make sense for users to be able to time-lock a portion of their own funds so they could only be able be transfer after a certain number of days.  Hence users could have time and receive notification of a large transfer if a hacker/thief tries to move the money.
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@dantheman ·
Those concepts are being thought through and will likely be deployed based upon lessons learned and solutions available.
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@steemrollin ·
Great thx!
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@stellabelle ·
This was very informative. Thanks for shedding some light on very mysterious processes.
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@teatree ·
$4.25
>The key to security is time.

This is a good point. The one exchange that hasn't really had problems is BTC-E, which is also the oldest. And that is because they automatically freeze an account for 2 days when you attempt to change passwords or emails. And that has been sufficient time for people discover they've been compromised and contact support to retrieve their accounts. I don't know why other exchanges don't follow the same practice when it is clearly so protective and beneficial.
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@iamrohitkgupta ·
2FA is safe too, if I'm not mistaken.
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@timsaid ·
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Crypto currencies are supposed to offers us two things: security and freedom. security by using decentrelised blockchains and freedom by offering us instant payment all over the world. If we lose these advantages then the hole point of crypto is nonsense. Bitcoin and Etherum would have been more stable and secure if they followed to implement the features given above. Steem did it the right way and this is why I believe in the Steem technology. 
Thank you for your time sharing this @dantheman
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@cikizan ·
nice post, @dantheman
upvote done
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@geoffrey ·
I think the bank analogy makes more sense when applied to the exchanges, not the Bitcon protocol itself.  It's up to these services to implement the sort of security features Steem uses, and make sure they use cold storage which can't be accessed through hacking them.  The hard fork issue is a direct fault of the protocol, however.
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@inkbit ·
That's why Steemit is brilliant. It places the safe bank-like protocols within the cryptocurrency, so that an exchange may not even be needed.
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@nilkam ·
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@soomrack ·
I believe in Steem, and I think Crypto is something more then money, it is the new type of social organization:
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@soomrack/bitcoin-blockchain-steem-middlesociety-and-math-management
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@tinnyhippo ·
Hope steemit doesn't fall as victim in any hackers hand.
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@tomkirkham ·
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An upvote for the whale!!!

Seriously, good post.

"The decision to hard fork should be baked into the consensus process prior to any fork occurring. If consensus is reached that a fork should occur, then all nodes that do not have the code for the fork should shutdown by consensus."

I dont even have anywhere near your experience in this field and wondered why this was allowed to happen. It simply had to be considered, but why was the threat dismissed?

Thanks for the post, and helping all of us understand that steemit is much more than just a crypto-reddit publishing platform.

Seriously good stuff.
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@venuspcs ·
I was wondering if you where gonna talk about this, I am glad to see you did.
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@vi1son ·
Golden words:  "It is time for a change." In recent years, much has been hacked. But for some reason no one wants to learn from the mistakes of others - only their.
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@warrensteem ·
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Ah man. This is why i love steem, devs are active, informative, and always on top form to make steem and steemit a better place for every one.
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