Viewing a response to: @personz/self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour
I wonder how you will handle someone setting up another account to upvote themselves, or groups of people agreeing to upvote each other. I don't have any issue with people upvoting their own post. I think people should have to **pay to upvote their own comment**, just like a post promotion, because it changes the rank in a comment stream. I have, once or twice, upvoted my own comment to rank in higher in a comment stream. It didn't seem right that I was rewarding myself for increasing my visibility.
author | haphazard-hstead |
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We are not seeking to do this, and the main beneficiaries of disabling self voting will be minnows, who will then instead be able to use their votes as part of their engagement strategy. Self-Circle-Jerk takes a far more advanced bot than we have made at this point. But it's a start. I agree that getting paid to promote yourself is wrong! That's the whole point!
author | elfspice |
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Lol...bots bots bots. Will u care about how unreasonable this is? Bots armies of fucking bots...and u guys are attacking self voting. What a waste of time.
author | fuzzyvest |
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permlink | re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t111137278z |
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You have a solution for bots? What is it exactly? Let's focus on your solution since you think mine is not going to work.
author | elfspice |
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permlink | re-fuzzyvest-re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t141146634z |
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It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Steemit is such a complex ecosystem now that prediction of consequences seems less practical than testing and adjusting. It would be nice to see some analyses afterwards showing whether the planned effects are actually occurring. I appreciate all the experimentation that goes on here!
author | haphazard-hstead |
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permlink | re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t042849681z |
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The 4th member of the Co-Operative, @rycharde, is a mathematician who does a lot of work on Game Theory, and there is in fact models you can create that give pretty clear predictions of how humans will play with new things. He has friends in the field who can quickly build a simulation based on a series of variables that is pretty accurate at predicting it. Basically, it just models the process of people learning how to exploit the system. From this you can in fact judge the effect, before implementation, to a pretty large degree. I was absolutely ecstatic when he showed up to talk about what his angle was. This gives our development process some really good evidence to justify changes. He also happens to practically share my own theories about gravity and biology as well.
author | elfspice |
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permlink | re-haphazard-hstead-re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t052812920z |
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*"I agree that getting paid to promote yourself is wrong! That's the whole point!"* Why? You do realize where the value of Steem comes from, right? People investing money into it? I'm confused, do you think it's difficult to create a second account and send Steem there to vote for yourself? There is no barrier of technical knowledge here.
author | lexiconical |
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permlink | re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t042900689z |
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100% Congrats...u just walked into the vipers den and said "i smell alot like chicken...whats the problem?" Lol...
author | fuzzyvest |
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permlink | re-lexiconical-re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t111223497z |
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No but it does take more effort. Minimally more I'll grant you, but more. It is friction and the interface is not designed to work for that use case. From reading your comments it's clear that you think this is not a solvable problem. But is that the only reason you oppose this, because you think it cannot be done? Or do you agree with self voting in some fundamental way? I'm curious.
author | personz |
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permlink | re-lexiconical-re-elfspice-re-haphazard-hstead-re-personz-self-voting-will-now-not-be-default-steemit-com-behaviour-20170707t104626182z |
category | steemdev |
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