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Part 2 of Our Plan to Onboard the Masses
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In our first post about [our plan for onboarding the masses to the blockchain](https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/our-plan-for-onboarding-the-masses) we explored, on a very high level, how we think about solving the problems that blockchain still faces, and the important role that both [Communities](https://steemit.com/communities/@steemitblog/feedback-wanted-communities-design-document) and SMTs play in our proposed solutions. In today’s post we want to dive a bit deeper into one of these solutions: [Communities](https://steemit.com/communities/@steemitblog/feedback-wanted-communities-design-document). 

When Communities launch on Steem, for the first time *ever* people will be able to create communities, on the internet, *that they own.* We think that’s a very big deal, and a value proposition that will excite community leaders all over the world. 

<h1>Priority #1: Blockchain Onboarding</h1>

As we pointed out in our previous post, our #1 priority has always been onboarding the masses to the blockchain and we think that in objective terms, we have done more than any other team to further that goal. No other blockchain has even a fraction of the poets, artists, musicians, and of course, writers, that Steem does. 

<h1>Finding Like-Minded People</h1>

But how do we take this to the next level? When Steem and steemit.com were first released, growth was explosive because for the first time it was possible for a community of like-minded people to congregate on the Internet on a platform that they could earn a *stake* in. We bonded over our shared passion for Steem which lead to a strong and rapidly growing community. 

<h3>Diverse Interests</h3>

When we’re talking about onboarding the masses, what we’re really talking about is onboarding people who aren’t into crypto or blockchain at all. They are, by definition, into *something else*. Our passion is what drew us to Steem, but if we want to attract even more people to Steem we have to offer them a home for *their* passions. That’s why we believe Communities are such an important part of the future of Steem, and we believe, the future of blockchain generally.

<h1>Aligning Incentives</h1>

We know that we can use this technology to align the incentives of the members of a community. Our “beta test” of this technology was “version 1” of the Steem protocol which could store usernames, stake, content, votes, etc. Steemit.com was the beta interface we used to run this experiment. 

From these experiments we learned that, yes, a blockchain could be used to store social information, distribute tokens among community members by leveraging crowdsourced stake-weighted voting (a/k/a Proof-of-Brain), and this could be done in a way that supports the bootstrapping of a digital currency. Over one million accounts created, 50,000 daily active users, and a token featured on many exchanges is proof that a community-backed token can deliver a ton of value. 

<h1>Steem: Leaving Beta (Metaphorically)</h1>   

Communities are about leaving that first phase. We’re taking the knowledge we’ve gained *as a community* and using it to build new tools that can be used by any *community* that is interested in retaining ownership over their social information and rewarding their most valuable community members. 

When Communities launch on Steem, for the first time *ever* people will be able to create communities on the internet *that they own.* We are leveraging the same cryptographic technologies that enable the ownership of digital tokens, to deliver ownership of digital *communities.* And because Communities are a “2nd Layer” solution, changes can be pushed as they are ready, instead of having to wait for hardforks. Enabling these capabilities is why [Hivemind](https://github.com/steemit/hivemind) is such a critical (and we believe undervalued) piece of software. 

<h3>*Although the changes for Communities will roll out in phases, the end result will be every bit as disruptive as the original release of the Steem blockchain.*</h3>

<h1>Incentives</h1>

One of the keys to Steem’s success is the fact that it has the unique capability to autonomously align the incentives of community members. We are all so passionate about Steem, because we have all worked so hard to add value to this ecosystem, and have received some amount of stake for our efforts. But again, not everyone is interested in Steem, let alone capable of adding value to it. 

In order to really scale Steem, we have to not just create features that allow communities to form around non-Steem interests, we need to enable those Communities to determine for themselves who is adding value, and reward those people with stake *in that community.* That’s where Smart Media Tokens come in, which we will discuss in a future post.

<h1>Communities Feedback</h1>

At Steemit we are 100% committed to building open source tools that benefit every project that leverages the Steem blockchain. We want Communities on Steem to be part of *every* Steem app, not just steemit.com. That’s why we have already released a [Communities design document](https://github.com/steemit/hivemind/blob/master/docs/communities.md) that lays out how we are building Communities on a high level, so that other developers can understand why we are making the decisions we are, provide feedback on those decisions, and suggest additional features. 

We are still eager to integrate feedback from 3rd party developers on Communities. We invite anyone with ideas, suggestions, or questions about how we can make Communities work for all Steem developers, to share their thoughts in the comment section below.

_The Steemit Team_
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@alexs1320 · 
> No other blockchain has even a fraction of the poets, artists, musicians, and of course, writers, that Steem does.

Do you have internet connection :D
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@alexs1320 · 
Since the Part I was published how many active new users you on-board-ed?
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@alexvanaken ·
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So to be clear... You are not going to advertise to the masses? Because that is really the only way they will learn of this blockchain. It doesn’t matter what features you add if it’s still spreading by word of mouth. Word of mouth got us to #80 by marketcap....
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@alucian · (edited)
The Mass Adaption of Steem, is direktly cuppled on the Mass Adaption of Bitcoin. 

Just if you bring people from other Sozial Networks to Steem is a way. And it is a hard long way, to grow this community. Every single "Searcher" for good people should be motivated. But how many of them there are? I think, most people dont know, how to get them here. And if the new members are here. They leave for more than 90%... 

I say, grow Accounts after a half year of (good and serious) posting. Promote this Information to new Users  and motivate them to post for a longer time... 

If you can handle this (and iam sure, there are thoose guy´s and girls) than steem will grow from ALONE in the future.

This plattform is very Young. 

Your view on it, is another with all the time, you spend here. 

But Steem is Young. 

Krypto is Young and Bitcoin too. 

10 Years are nothing, for a new Technologie. 
The next 5 Years we should get a good Base, with strong beliving people. 

After it, nobody can stop this insane Blockchain. 

Think Big. Think out of the Box.

Have a nice Day
Alucian

Edit say´s: Do NOT Split your Power for to much Projects!!!
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@joeyarnoldvn · 
Very true.
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@whyaskwhy · 
The waiting game , to attain harvest is much more unlikely for the masses, but easier for the prime investors. Here lies the weak link in the chain!!
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@alucian · 
Gaminification is greeting @ its best here. :-)
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@arcange · 
Congratulations @steemitblog!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steem Hit Parade](/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20190808) in the following category:

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@ats-david ·
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>When Communities launch on Steem, for the first time *ever* people will be able to create communities, on the internet, *that they own.*

I'm curious to see how this plays out in reality. Will there be a rush to essentially "squat" popular communities/categories/tags? If so, what can anyone do about a completely mismanaged category/tag? For instance, what if someone were to "buy" the *cryptocurrency* and *cryptos* communities and then proceeded to post their own referral links and shill their favorite tokens, then "moderated" everyone else's posts to make them invisible or sent them to the bottom of the "hot" or "trending" lists?

What do you do then, other than create a new community like *"real-cryptos-community,"* or some stupid crap? Will there be any built-in protection to mitigate or prevent the above?
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@joeyarnoldvn · (edited)
# Donald Trump
Hopefully, competition can push people regardless. Maybe somebody created DonaldTrump on Twitter. So, maybe the real Trump created @RealDonaldTrump, for example. Well, so, with your example, if somebody creates a cryptocurrencies community and mutes people talking about Monero, then maybe, through the art of supply and demand, they could try to band together to create their own cryptocurrencies community.
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# Competition
Then, they could make videos and talk about how retarded that other community was. That creates peer pressure on the original community. Meaning that either that guy reforms his ways or his members may migrate to the new community. That's competition. That's supply and demand. I hope things like that happens as a mechanism that seeks after balance or competition.
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@roadscape ·
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<div class="pull-right"><img src="https://miro.medium.com/max/240/0*4-p3LjTM6_oSr03_" /></div>

Naming is a bit of a "of 3 pick 2" situation. [Zooko's Triangle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle) illustrates it well ("security" can be swapped with "complexity"). The current approach is that every community will start with just an id number, so there's nothing to squat. A naming system will most likely be a 2nd layer solution.
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@ats-david ·
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OK, cool. That makes sense. Thank you for the response.
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@beerlover · 
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@bestwatches · 
It's really good news. I did try it now. Hoping a positive step towards the big growth
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@byvt ·
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I began to think that the steem token is a non-competitor in the modern world. Sorry. Only big test.
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@kawaiicrush · (edited)
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Yeah you are correct. This was a social experiment pertaining to the use of a crypto currency/token on a social type platform. Notice how they tanked the project as soon as Facebook launched their currency.

Makes you wonder if the 3 years of data collecting and learning were funded by Zuck.

This is the end. What a shame.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmTdnx95o3Fjype1wjzCya9pmg5opN8ZVTG3hcD5GMVjDj/image.png)

Above is the last page of the Steem Whitepaper. 

Oh I almost forgot to mention, part of the experiment was to map the human brain and to teach A.I., that is a very important aspect as to what was at play. The funny thing is that 99.9% of these people had no idea they were being experimented on.
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@creativetruth · 
So the billion dollar question has always been how to make steem go viral, right?

The answer may not be what you think it is. 

Somebody with the mojo to innovate a truly indispensable project is the way. Wishful thinking will not work anymore.
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@duke77 · 
Beaucoup de bruit pour pas grand chose! Fusionnez avec Steem Engine, ils déjà fait le travail !
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@dwayne16 · 
I love this plan and i just hope it work perfectly well as you have mention in your last two post about onboard the masses. Hopefully it benefits @Steemchurch this time because i realize that steem only focus on popular communities because most of their owners are witnesses and they have a lot of delegation but trust me their members ain't gat zeal for this community and their member are only after was good for them and not steem. 

When i join Steemchurch i don't anything about cryptocurrency and main reason why i still find it difficulty is because am still learning. Steemchurch have established themselves in four different countries Venezuela, Nigeria, Philippines, Ghana, and already have more than 3000 members on telos and all this 3k+ members don't know anything about cryptocurrency and they have been trying to bring them and onboard them to steem but not enough delegation to that, Steemchurch have already request for delegation [here](https://steemit.com/delegationapp/@steemchurch/delegation-request-steemit-inc-steemchurh-international-ministry) but so far nothing happened for a community that has been on steem for more than two years and doing so fine without request for any delegation before and asking now you should know is for the greater good and for what will benefits steem. 

If you want to onboard the masses try as much as possible not to handle things with sentiment or try to favour some communities. Please am begging let this work with the mind that you want steem to move forward. 

THANKS.
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@freddio · 
nice :)
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@freebornangel ·
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@joeyarnoldvn · 
Exactly.
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@funnyman · 
Keep up with this. Steemit is going to do great. I believe in you guys. :)
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@funnyman · 
@mack-bot why am I being downvoted? Can you please justify. Thanks
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@garrettwallace · 
I don't know if you're able to help but would like to know if you can help against Mack-bots bullying my account for no reason all my memes come from a free meme generated app and are not illegal I have not received a message from Steemcleaners for any wrong doing and I have not posted in three months now that may reputation is on the rebound I face down votes (Knowledge is power) was the post @garrettwallace. If this is what the mass onboarding will face growth is highly unlikely and onboarding the masses may start as a failed strategy and we greatly need growth just food for thought thanks @steemitblog
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@garrettwallace · 
I have been looking for a way to appeal my account being downvoted by mack-bot of the steemcleaners group with no message from steemcleaners,cheetah, just surveyed since I first asked for your assistance @steemitblog now it's post after post being downvoted as in a way since I want to reach out for help I'm subjected to constant down votes feeling as if my blog company is being hijacked with me at the wheels wow you will not have to hear from me again @steemitblog because your not a complaint hotline I just been seeing so much of going on I was a rep 39 once not buying  a vote to do so he brought me down to a rep 2 and as you can see in your data log this is blatant hijacking of  my account your a busy person I would  guess but if you read this and was to look into it I deserve to have my rep restored to at least rep 25 heard it could be done once but don't know how join me if you don't mind so I feel like I'm sinking alone and thanks for at least being a line of contact at least to make my mind feel better that someone from the real Steemit team got to see this keep up the great up dates and best wishes on your mass onboarding project steem on thanks
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@goldmanmorgan · (edited)
i'm sick of hearing this "bring a friend and some money"-thing ... you need partnerships with real money and the masses will come by themselves, most plankton wont spend money on it since steem gets sold off faster than you can say WUT ?

all that "ethical" "good" and other bla-stuff , no one realy gives a shit, they want the dough : it says "crypto" which is the magic word for "nouveau riche "overnight ... you dont seem to understand "the masses" and most of the masses have distrust towards it too, and they certainly wont save you, they FLOCK to money, not the other way around

You know i was always on how the others, the "alt"-coins are nothing but hot air, EOS, ETH, and TRON for the most part as the rest aint worth mentioning, but what do they HAVE ?

BILLIONS, that's what they have ... i revised my opinion on Justin Sun since his stunt with Warren Buffett ... giving four million to charity, receiving an invitation from investor ichiban-on-the-planet, then declining like "dont have time" or "dont need your money, sir" or "i KNOW its like dealing with the mafia, once i get in bed with you its for life because you didnt get top five by being nice all the time"

none of that matters, it shows grit and the guy has basically NOTHING on Tron but

but ?

<h1>money</h1> lol

sells at 2 cents , has a market cap of what ? half a billion or more ? mhh ... 

SO : here's my proposed solution to all your problems : sell 49% of the company to Justin Tron so he has something PRACTICAL to show (his worst criticism is that he basically did nothing for blockchain-yuppie land) ... that way he would have something .. 49% leaves 51% to you and let him do the marketing he seems to be a genius when it comes to that

that's my proposed solution as oppozed to ponzi-in-a-friend :)

yea im sure you wont like it, my language neither , right ? but if you give it some thought ...

You know what i think the biggest issue is here ? not just the fact that it come for free while sleeping to the fortune fifty for a year or so, but the fact that they're all scurrrrd of the big ocean, while in this VERY LITTLE POND HERE, its them who are the big fish and outside ?

they're sardines

gud ... i probably made a lot of friends again, so i keep telling myself to NOT SPEAK heh

yo, Justin ? can i have your number ?



pf ... not alleycat-approved , bring-a-friend starts to sound mighty much like ponzi-up so we can sell it down, dearie ...

m hm, in my delusional world i think *that* is what they mean by partnerships ... it doesn't come for free , but in the end both parties gain ... you got a hyperinflated coin that atm goes down by exactly one cent a day, a cap of what ? 50 million ? they got billions and nothing tangible, id say that's worth a try to reach for a combo made in heaven ...

yea, gimme his number, but the i want 20% of the company too LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

what ? 20% for me, 49% for justin ... that leaves you with nice wages for the team ?

since we're making friends ...

![d60e6fb4c33b2bff3af628610e71ffe3.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmWNkxYqAx8mQAgBc6K3trSXYKW2eZVGnyFD28NKkd7ftJ/d60e6fb4c33b2bff3af628610e71ffe3.jpg)

Well , it seems being polite doesn't get me much either but im still pretty polite

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gud, ... interact more, it says, but it means : "nod yes at everything" heh

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wutwut ?

NO NO NO ! ... see, and listen up goodspeak-people, that's what these things are for, and that's what brainstorms are, bring it in your own language and set that ego and tradition aside - if anyone comes up with anything better, then SPEAK or hold your silence, just saying "that is blah" is NOT constructive, me using pottymouth to propose IS ...

see, a wise minbari once said : " *There's no dishonour in defeat as long as the spirit remains unconquered* "

and some human went like "drastic times, drastic measures" , see, i dont see the defeat in salvaging a dire situation into a position that gets more for everyone than there is now, if you can set EGO aside and that psychopath winner mentality that would have the likes of you compete with a moving train head-on ?

it's a sound option, it can be evaluated and tried out, yes is yes and no is no ...

anyone has better idea ?

then SPEAK , that's what this thing is for, now

im already sorry i spoke but when the cork pops my RC goes down ...

![thumb_fate-whispers-to-the-warrior-you-cannot-withstand-the-storm-5364516.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmc9e4jAzRtwNsdXewf6ykV7P3Lb49yahwVTK1bXJ9HhfW/thumb_fate-whispers-to-the-warrior-you-cannot-withstand-the-storm-5364516.png)

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speak now or forever hold your silence, and when you do add something constructive, please ... everyone has the right to speak last time i checked and ideas are needed since someone up-there is STUCK IN OLD WAYS

ah, spaghetti is ready

thou art saved by the bell from the wrath of Goldman Morgan ;-)
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@goldmanmorgan · (edited)
hah ... that hit the spot

https://media.giphy.com/media/TA0C7JvngEkr6/giphy.gif

- wants to dabble in finance but is a hippie about it
- puts a koi in the middle of a pond of ravenous sharks, then asks the police to patrol because it gets eaten, wasting countless resources in the process
- wants to onboard the masses but expects everyone to behave like the few
- wants me to write *more* but doesn't upvote to consultancy fee 

![images.jpeg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmfUYPeJBjnMZ9NKuTdwX8DYNRVr3yUfVisqGnMVaQ5Nim/images.jpeg)

as a wannabe tek-head i <3 <3 <3 the steemchain for its sheer beauty, but the leftover human within me also expects it to deliver ...

and with that im gonna try to hold my silence for at least a week for all but the posts on morgan and tyr ... again ... *sigh*

hmm ...
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felt better when *she* had my back by day and my dick at night

LANGUAGE, CAT, LANGUAGE 

yea ? 

language is a living thing, used to express oneself, not simply to please

gud, i'm sure i made much many new friends now

hasta la proxima
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@whyaskwhy · 
Wow Wow. What a treatise on the way forward; laced with jibes and comics but succinctly points to the ONLY direction possible!!

But I asked! Will they Listen?
A million dollars question; no doubt!!
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@goldmanmorgan · 
almost out of rc gotta recharge or i cant post tomorrow, well i see "partnership on todays pinned post" :) ... so , .... "maybe..." 
personally i wouldn't move for a position of domination but more like a -euhm-
catalyst ? nexus ? something all the bigguns and more can USE while they keep the narcist spot, = less risk at hostile maneuvers and who needs 100 billion if you can get a few of those ? i'm not really schooled in business (or anything at all) but i think the big book of mindfuck states : when clients : work dopamine , when partners or entities above your level in the area you try to work on : make them think it's their idea and if possible, make them think they got you by the nuts while its actually the other way around :D

maybe
maybemaybe
maybe we can crack a bottle of Piper or Bollinger in 2020, sorry for the short, im sure i'll get more space to talk when i get more sp because steem is worth more
some day ...
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@tyrnannoght · (edited)
pardon the split reply ( -> @goldmanmorgan) but my RC is divided as much as the people in my head ... the concept of that would not be a position of power but a position of indispensability, with added benefit that they might have the urge to promote and stimulate yours as you provide a service that allows them to have more time to shine on the center stage, while you (if you can get past ego) just rake in the dough lol , sounds easier than it is ofcourse, crypto is finance now and finance is a jungle.
And once you get 4 million dollar you can just flush down the toilet, make like Justin Sun and donate it to a charity Warren Buffett likes while preparing your pitch while yours is NOT ratpoison heheh, on the off-chance you get an invitation, then don't decline and try to tell the man why he wants to invest a billion in you ...

better to reach far in options, even if they're not achievable and keep them on the stack in case they become so, than to splash around in the little pond and keep digging in the mud where you stand aiming at smallfry only

but as i said, that's all easier said than done ... they're trying, and they're doing, the biggest problem is the start that was too easy and the mentality of 'ethics' in a world of money that's a bit not suited to the place ... not saying you need to go for child labour (although those kids get to eat, while the rest starves ... that's a debate of its own) but it IS business after all and money is hard business...

i think they can make it work if they get off the "its the best tek piece" towards "the masses" train ... but don't ask me how, partnerships is certainly an indispensable part and if they can connect with the majors as a utility, not a competitor then the position would be safer ... bit more breathing space and all that

but who am i ? 

i'm just trying to be nobody but i need more zeroes in my account for that (after the comma heh)

gud then (here i am keeping my silence for a week = not ... again tsch..)

small edit & p.s. : (always something to add, right)

40k or 400k might make for a nice tax-deductible and some promo, if you want Titans to notice you you could carve your face in a mountainridge but if you wanna be noticed by the gods you'll have to spell your name in stars somehow (mmh ... nasty metafors, i has it)
If, on the *big* chance the four million doesn't get you noticed or invited by either of the 1% of the 1% then there's no need to cry as it was " *four million you can flush down the toilet* " in the first place PLUS, that's a *serious* tax deduction plus : you get the image of "the good guys" 4 million in charity buys a lot of love (which ofcourse doesn't cost a thing) and the media-publicity from that is priceless , when played right ... after all, advertising costs money anyway, so might as well make it a double whammy, get tax deductions, whole lotta rosie , ehm, love and 
exposure !!!!! (of the good kind)

in the meantime, while im yapping i'm not rendering, modelling or programming so i think i should cork it :)

the thing, and the biggest unanswered but most urgent question in the current brainstorm-cycle :

![56.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZnQpcLUGXvrFqA1kpDfdMVDBHGUoPVBD5wnWSi41rbwG/56.jpg)

*why would these people need me?*

![64.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQEJMQuGYnta6rtmzvQ79q5fuhEt9Ej3xKD9RvCwStGf3/64.jpg)

not as despair but as a REAL question looking for a REAL answer and

![160.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdTqMnWziGqMY98kbZG29wTgAkjij3a7Gm3vESDweAFTj/160.jpg)

that's just not possible ... if you try that you'll end up with nothing but a lot of people smiling at you while they count the money they didnt pay you

so maybe

![161.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmViAoqDMA5Gztw6DU7veXiszNGDhbd4RkukNisXR6W3YL/161.jpg)

A nice little theory for a system or twentyfive dimensions, if only we lived in one ...

![238.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQXH5YR6QqGoMGkVmA6fwYGFmx2FJPESU2m8sYj2iEEBh/238.jpg)

i know one thing : the only way to fail for sure is to not try at all heh

GUD ! (before i shoot in fortune cookie mode again *sigh* )

a good day to you, may we see the moon by 2020 ? (i think $5 is a nice level to hope for as a hyper-inflated utility token, but if you can provide *paid* service that's fiat money in the pocket, employees and their families happy and motivated and a way to keep it pegged , that sbd among other things ...)

it's just food for thought, dearie :) ... if i didnt like it here i wouldnt be here, right ?
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@greencross · 
I like this communities thingy. Thanks for that. Hopefully it will benefit our @DDaily and the other ones that were built around Steem

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@hadji · 
I just wish to see all these yielding result for steem at the end of the day. Cheers

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@hitmeasap ·
$0.05
These things sounds good and all, but I have a question:

Do you have any actual plans to get people onboard? In terms of advertising campaigns etc. or are you leaving that to the "people" so to speak?

I mean, like I've also stated previously, the main reason for people to join steem in the early days was because they had a good chance to earn money.

With time, without starting a discussion of why, it became far more difficult to earn than in the early days which is also the main reason for most of the inactive accounts (at least from my understanding). If and when people didn't earn what they expected to earn, they basically gave up on steem.

What they expected to earn was their own imaginary goals based on false and/or inaccurate advertising and due to the extreme rewards authors earned from their contributions at that time.

Now, when the value of steem has dropped **and** it has become harder to earn than in the early days, one would think that we would need some amazing advertising campaigns to reach the "masses" you are talking about. Especially marketing that is true, legit and accurate, and not some mumbo-jumbo that is made up by greedy users who've bought their way to the top...

So, do you have any plans to execute some form of advertising campaigns or will you be passive in that sense and let the existing user base stand for that?
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@jarvie ·
$0.07
I know our company has plans for the marketing but we're not going to do them until a good use case of Tribes or Communities and likely start with marketing to a specific group with something that appeals particularly to them (photographers for example). 
Community protocol progress they're doing gives moderation abilities intermingled with hivemind and tribes have this idea of a more meaningful tokenization to a specific group hopefully with a focus on bringing in utility for that particular market.
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@roadscape ·
$0.09
Personally I think until the platform is easier and more fun to use, signups run the risk of turning off users and making it harder to re-acquire them in the future. (Unless you're targeting early adopters.)
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@jondoe ·
$0.94
I agree with this. Waiting until the time is right is a much better use of resources.
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@markkujantunen · 
Agreed. It would be counterproductive to spend a lot of money to advertise Steem at this point. The platform as a whole should be somewhat more mature.
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@sepracore ·
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More fun to use requires a new and shiner condenser interface. I guess that will hopefully come with communities or third parties who can think outside the box on the current version. Not being able to find and search for content is a huge turnoff for both content creators and curators
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@silvertop ·
$0.10
This is the question I keep asking......
Non crypto people don't understand keys...
I just commented about my non crypto friend that got her steemit "free account" @she.rocks.joy
She doesn't know how to setup this account correctly.

She cant find the original master password , and now this account is probably a dead account!
This is a major problem with on-boarding!!!
If we want the masses, we need to make this very simple for people who really don't care about crypto !
I hope someone that can change this is reading this, we need to adapt!
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@ijatz · 
@roadscape, @andrarchy and @richardcrill - a maybe naive question: could the Communities 2nd layer protocol prevent anybody from promoting her or his posts through bid bots or similar automated scripts?
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@imtase ·
$0.05
Stop talking about onboarding the masses, it's a nonsense when it takes a lot of skill to use and understand Steem. Stop lying to yourself.

Steem is and will remain a niche product unless you make it really usable and valuable to the masses. Simplifying account creation (who wants to pay to create an account? Stop living 15 years ago. And please don't talk about the discount account joke), do you think it's normal to need to make tricks to have a language management, seriously? And stop stupid things like needing to make a claim to get rewards (an example among many others that clearly shows the willingness to complicate the user's life). 

Steem must be able to manage a normal user not just a crypto and technology expert. Do you think a normal user is willing to waste a lot of time accessing the information they want or like? Do you really think you can reach the majority of each of the Baby Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y and new Gen Z categories when everyone has their own specificities? I don't think, sorry. Non-core members do more than you to try to make Steem more accessible despite all the constraints you have imposed on them that make their attempt complicated.

50,000 active users per day Ok and how many are real and not a bot? 50,000 active users daily for 3 years of activity, wake up we are on the internet, are you sure it's a big deal you should be proud of? If Steem has more than a million accounts created, it is mainly due to the hype period of the blockchain and crypto technology and in the hope of high profitability. Look at the activity on Steem when its value was 40 times higher and today, don't you think there is a correlation? 

Steem has potential so stop wasting it, settle down, do your introspection and bring real solutions. Thank you.
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@anonsteve ·
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There is one huge elephant in the room: the open wallets.

There are many reasons most people wouldn't want their financial transactions on Steem to be exposed to the whole world. The number one reason is probably taxes. I'm guessing most Steemians are not paying taxes on their Steem income. Whether or not any taxes should be paid on Steem income until cashed out into fiat, until used for buying goods or services or cryptocurrencies external to the platform may be unclear, depending on jurisdiction. In any case, there is a great deal of uncertainty to this which is one reason most Steemians use a pseudonym and/or employ a number of alts that cannot be proven to be theirs. People join social media networks when they are invited to join by friends and family. This is not taking place very much among Steemians as they wish to keep their Steem identity and their walking world identity separate.

Because it is too late the redesign Steem as privacy blockchain using protocols similar to those used by Monero or Zerocoin to keep all financial transactions secret, second-tier solutions are the only possibility. It would be entirely possible to use anonymous voting accounts and placeholder posts posted by placeholder accounts and privacy chains as intermediaries to make the financial layer entirely private. The other possibility is demonetizing the Steem experience for the masses. I actually think they might prefer it that way.
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@d-pend ·
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IMO anonymity is already an illusion in the modern world. Data-collecting corporations know just about everything about us already. If for some reason CIA/FBI/MI3 etc. takes an interest in you, they can find out every single detail about you. The only reason they may not have the information ready at hand is that anyone who's not at least a billionaire is somewhat irrelevant for them.
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@lauch3d · 
completely agree but hey psst (always check claims about numbers ;) ) https://steemapps.com/?time=last_day or here: https://www.stateofthedapps.com/rankings/platform/steem 50k lel
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@joeyarnoldvn · 
Are there differences between communities and hashtags? I'm asking because I see some similarities with how tags work. Specifically, communities reminds me of Facebook Groups, which I like. If possible, we would to to seek after that Twitter feature, the ability to retweet comments and posts with custom messages like Twitter has. We would love customizable home pages like MySpace had, which Facebook doesn't have much of.
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@jondoe ·
$1.08
Is there an ETA on when the first version will be rolled out?
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@fitzgibbon · 
Soon since 2017
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@jondoe ·
$1.03
It sounds different this time.
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@jondoe ·
$0.97
It looks like Steem will not be listed on Binance US as of now:

https://www.coindesk.com/binances-us-subsidiary-is-weighing-30-different-cryptos-for-listing

Is there anything we can do about that?
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@kassixo ·
$0.17
When I first came here, I came because as a content creator, a writer, I saw a great opportunity to share my thoughts and get noticed for them. Communicate with the people that share the same values, meet new people. Enjoy good content. I felt really amazing at the time, writing blog posts and seeing people comment on it, while also making some money from the time I put into the posts.

I agree that it was taken over by all sorts of bots, memers etc and I started to lose my motivation. I wasn't noticed anymore for my effort to the platform - instead people with random and effortless people were gaining more than those who worked hard on good quality content. 

It would be hard to make the bad times and memories go away and build this up all again. Steem is full with trash posts from people who gain profit by buying votes. It could only bring on 9gag masses, but not quality people.
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@gtg · 
Well, that hopefully will change soon. Some of it is already changing.
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@haikubot · 
<em>Well, that hopefully 
Will change soon. Some of it is 
Already changing. 
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@joeyarnoldvn · 
True. Hopefully, communities will counter the problems, like bid bots, etc.
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@klye ·
$0.03
STEEM is still maturing and will likely take a lot more work before we appeal to the masses.. Broad appeal is an algorithm that is hard to crack but I think it will happen eventually. Hopefully the underlying issue of the platform still being relatively immature are corrected and improved on in time.

Been a lot of work to get it this far, still a lot of work left to do.
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@masterthematrix · (edited)
Thanks for the good update about communities.
Yes, they are going to be a game changer and we already have a taste of it with Steem Engine tribes.
On the other side I really would like to hear from Steemit.com more solutions and ideas about the current problems with the POB mechanism which is working on steemit.com.
How do can we improve the quality of the trending page? How do we counter Bot abuse, circle voting, self voting etc...which are all problems also related to investors behaviour to get the most ROI out of their Steempower. Investors who only want to hold Steempower still need to mess around with content curation even though they don't have any interest in curating just to increase their ROI. You should think about giving an option for SP holders to get more ROI from the reward pool without the must to vote on low quality content.
These questions have been asked for months and still no statement from your team.
I hope to hear more ideas and solutions to the most important questions around POB and reward abuse from you in the future.
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@jaki01 ·
$0.05
> You should think about giving an option for SP holders to get more ROI from the reward pool without the must to vote on low quality content.

I don't understand why investors always talk about their ROI (and I am an investor as well)? Their main aim should be to increase the <em>value</em> of STEEM.
And the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect"><em>value</em> of a (social) network</a> is measured among others by the number of its users.
Did I need 'ROI' when I bought BTC some years ago? Or am I happy about the high <em>value</em> my BTC have nowadays? :)

Nothing against ROI, but I think we shouldn't be that focussed on it ...
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@valued-customer ·
$0.03
Capital gains create ROI.  The increase in the value of your BTC is capital gains, and also your ROI.
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@valued-customer ·
$0.10
Investors are able to achieve ROI in other ways than curating content.  Investment has existed for millenia, and ROI from curation only since Steem.  Folks seeking ROI from curation rewards aren't actually investors, anymore than KKR are.  They're profiteers extracting the proceeds of the business Steem conducts before that value increases the value of the underlying investment vehicle - the opposite of investing for capital gains.

Profiteers decrease the value of the investment vehicle by extracting that value.  They reduce the value of Steem, not increase it.  We don't want more of them, or more mechanisms they can use to extract the value of the content creators produce, because they harm those that are trying to increase the value of Steem by reducing the value of their stake.

Capital gains has encouraged investment for thousands of years, and built great enterprises because investors sought to increase the value of their investment.  Profiteers only destroy businesses.  Capital gains FTW.
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@richardcrill ·
$0.65
> When Steem and steemit.com were first released, growth was explosive because for the first time it was possible for a community of like-minded people to congregate on the Internet on a platform that they could earn a stake in.

It was also possible to get curated by humans instead of bots, whales even! People would actually read your posts and vote for them if they liked them. Lots of people would see it and upvote it if they liked it. There was real interaction. It was beautiful! I loved it so much. Then came the bidbots. Now the beauty is gone. It is replaced by greed. Votes are sold to the highest bidder. The crowdsourced content discovery mechanism has been completely undermined and it could have been prevented. A culture against vote selling could have been and could still be established, but not while Steemit Inc. endorses it.

> From these experiments we learned that, yes, a blockchain could be used to store social information, distribute tokens among community members by leveraging crowdsourced stake-weighted voting (a/k/a Proof-of-Brain), and this could be done in a way that supports the bootstrapping of a digital currency. Over one million accounts created, 50,000 daily active users, and a token featured on many exchanges is proof that a community-backed token can deliver a ton of value.

This is not what happens anymore. It's not about PoB anymore. 

> Although the changes for Communities will roll out in phases, the end result will be every bit as disruptive as the original release of the Steem blockchain.

Except for the thing that was disruptive in the beginning is now gone. How can you even still pay homage to PoB when you have allowed bid bots to completely undermine that system?

> One of the keys to Steem’s success is the fact that it has the unique capability to autonomously align the incentives of community members. We are all so passionate about Steem, because we have all worked so hard to add value to this ecosystem, and have received some amount of stake for our efforts. But again, not everyone is interested in Steem, let alone capable of adding value to it.

Some have worked hard to extract value from the system and have been greatly rewarded for their efforts.

> In order to really scale Steem, we have to not just create features that allow communities to form around non-Steem interests, we need to enable those Communities to determine for themselves who is adding value, and reward those people with stake in that community. That’s where Smart Media Tokens come in, which we will discuss in a future post.

That's all well and good, but why do we want to try to add value while others extract it? Even if we have communities that don't have delegation and have a culture against vote selling, it will still dominate Steem and be counter productive to what those communities are trying to do.

> We invite anyone with ideas, suggestions, or questions about how we can make Communities work for all Steem developers, to share their thoughts in the comment section below.

You could help to establish a culture that downvotes bid bots. It's probably too late to get rid of delegation now that it's the main way to earn here. You could make a return to PoB on steemit.com -  the fire hose for all the communities. You could quit programmatically selling STEEM and crashing the price. You could make the trending page actually posts that are trending instead of just posts that have just paid their way to get there which are basically just a weird form of ads. But I'm guessing this isn't the type of feedback you're looking for and won't even give me a meaningful reply to my comment.
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@artemislives ·
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Agreed 100% @richardcrill and your comment supported 100% with the full weight of the @ecotrain community behind it.  I speak with confidence on behalf of @eco-alex who is currently in seclusion, and ob behalf of a diverse and growing part of the steem community.  

Thank you for awesome leadership, as always
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@richardcrill · 
Thank you @artemislives! I really appreciate it. I know a lot of the people who feel this way left a long time ago, but I really wish the people behind Steemit Inc. and @steemitblog will listen to the people who are still here. It seems people want to earn as much STEEM as possible without adding value and even devaluing the platform and the coin. It seems very short sighted to me. I hope they consider their users input.
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@choosefreedom · 
This is such important insight Richard. I agree with you 100%. I hope what you’ve said here is genuinely considered by anyone who wants to see this blockchain reach its potential.  The SCOT communities have already done much to address these issues. I think it’s a great direction.
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@richardcrill · 
Thank you for saying so @choosefreedom. Sadly the people that had a lot of stake that saw this problem have mostly left. The people that are here now with significant stake don't seem to see the bid bots as a problem. Not sure why @acidyo doesn't seem to see it. @ned must be for the bidbots. I know @heimindanger sees this and he is still here. Maybe if someone forks his DTube code to make a blogging platform it could work. @dan saw the problem and couldn't get enough of the other people with significant stake to see it so he left. I know @ats-david and @krnel were vocal about it too, but I think they have realized that it's not going to change.
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@jonyoudyer · 
well said Richard!
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@richardcrill · 
Thanks man.
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@marki99 · 
Letting bidbots do their thing was really a bad choice in hindsight.
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@richardcrill · 
It seems pretty clear to a lot of us. A lot of us also called it out when they first started, but I guess Steemit Inc. disagrees.
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@nickyhavey · 
^^^^ All of this
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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Somewhere, along the way, I lost the spark, to say the things you said here today.

*It is, quite literally, the shittiest feeling in the world, as I work on that next post, knowing hours in advance, no matter what I do, that post will fail and not get anywhere on Steemit, after nearly three years of being here, 786 posts under my belt, and my blog is consistently one of the most active on the entire platform.*
<sup>*Tribes are helping.*</sup>

I don't blame anyone here, old or new, for being frustrated with those damn bidbots.  The Darwin Award winners two years in a row.
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@riverflows · 
Cannot agree more @richardcrill - and I am sure the entire @naturalmedicine community would agree too, as well as many communities here that are just getting by and trying to manually create to reward users, with great members doing their best to comment and be good Steemplayers but getting disheartened. I see so many great quality posts going nowhere, and no incentive for people to write great posts. So a wonderful post about perimenopause can get a less of a payout than a blurry photo of a mango smoothie someone has used a bidbot on. 

Your response is clear, concise, measured and deserves a reply. xxx
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@richardcrill · 
Thank you @riverflows. It was nice to get a couple replies from @roadscape, but he didn't really address what I said. I don't think he has any thing to say to my last replies to him.
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@roadscape ·
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> It was also possible to get curated by humans instead of bots, whales even! People would actually read your posts and vote for them if they liked them. Lots of people would see it and upvote it if they liked it. There was real interaction. It was beautiful! I loved it so much. Then came the bidbots. Now the beauty is gone. It is replaced by greed.

I suspect a big reason bid bots are attractive is because other forms of curation are difficult. Even altruistic voting (e.g. no benefit expected, other than improved system health) is time consuming. Content is disorganized; tags are noisy, and there are no content standards.

> The crowdsourced content discovery mechanism has been completely undermined and it could have been prevented.

By "crowdsourced content discovery mechanism" do you mean votes and trending? Votes and trending should reflect what the community believes are the most valuable contributions, but it's not an effective way to discover under-rewarded (or just undiscovered) content.

In my view, Steem has never had a "crowdsourced content discovery mechanism". The most effective mechanisms were (and still are) manual labor -- digging through feeds, following new users, establishing curation guilds. In the beginning, there were less posts (it was possible to read every single new post), they were higher quality on average, and time spent curating was subsidized by the excitement of it all. Now we need to scale.
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@jondoe ·
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> Now we need to scale.

Well said, I couldn't agree more!
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@richardcrill · (edited)
> I suspect a big reason bid bots are attractive is because other forms of curation are difficult. Even altruistic voting (e.g. no benefit expected, other than improved system health) is time consuming. Content is disorganized; tags are noisy, and there are no content standards.

I think this is the type of thing communities CAN help with. Even altruistic voting gives curation rewards especially if it ends up trending. That was the original design right? It encouraged people to add value which brings more and more value to the platform.

> By "crowdsourced content discovery mechanism" do you mean votes and trending? Votes and trending should reflect what the community believes are the most valuable contributions, but it's not an effective way to discover under-rewarded (or just undiscovered) content.

Yes. I agree.
> In my view, Steem has never had a "crowdsourced content discovery mechanism". The most effective mechanisms were (and still are) manual labor -- digging through feeds, following new users, establishing curation guilds. In the beginning, there were less posts (it was possible to read every single new post), they were higher quality on average, and time spent curating was subsidized by the excitement of it all. Now we need to scale.

I agree, I think that is still the best way, but now there is no chance for it to "trend" once you have done that work. Does scaling mean that we leave all that work to the bots? If there isn't a chance to trend organically or real human interaction, I don't see the point.
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@smidge-tv · (edited)
"I suspect a big reason bid bots are attractive is because other forms of curation are difficult"

Stop lying ! bid-bots are run by steemit inc and blocktrades
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@sarez · 
This is a superbly worded reply. 

@richardcrill you have at least one new fan
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@rubenalexander · 
I think growth with come from the demographic with the most time.  From what I know, teens and 20s are using snapchat and tiktok.  The nearly transparent UI seems to be the common factor and navigating content with a swipe or content that is automatically navigated based on previous preferences seems to be where steem should go. 

That same demographic knows more about vlogs than blogs. So the steemit ui will be a hard sell. 

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@rynow · 
To me I feel all these communities are hole lot of hype about nothing and it is adding complexities, that makes things more difficult for new comers.

If we take Facebook for instance, I can join today for free, immediately after joining I can create a group ( community) for what ever subject I want for free. I don't have to have any rep or money invested, it is for free and it is easy and I can post and like as much as I want!!

 For a community in Steemit, I basically need to create a token, which is difficult to give to people, if you cannot code, then you get people who steal your tokes as what happened with the !BEER token,
Why can't it be easy and free as the Facebook example and everybody get rewarded in Steem??
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@sarez · 
PLEASE READ THE COMMENT BY @richardcrill
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@slizzyvert · 
This is awesome
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@smokiethebear912 ·
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It's not working. It really isn't.
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@ssjsasha ·
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A price spike is also needed
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@steevc · 
I think communities are a vital feature of any social platform so than people can collect around a common interest, but there are big challenges in getting people away from the mainstream sites. Steem has practically no visibility for most people and the active userbase is tiny. I hope to moves to remedy that. I've done all I can to get people on board including creating accounts for them. Creative people need an audience and not just income.
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@steph4nus · 
On the surface @schoolofminnows seems like your average bid bot. But as soon as you look deeper you discover that there are no bids. You discover that @schoolofminnows is something different.

@schoolofminnows is AI. It records what you do on the blockchain and then gets like minded people to reward you for your efforts. It does not follow human bias. It does not decide what's good and what's bad.

It is built on the proof-of-effort protocol. It invented altruistic voting. 

Don't believe me?

Check out @schoolofminnows for yourself. 

Follow the rabbit hole and meet the real underworld of steem.

[WeAreOne337](https://discord.gg/zKASfZ9)

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@sweecee · 
I would love to have direct blockchain access to post text... it would be nicer than to have to connect to a centralized website...
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@tarazkp ·
$0.18
The ownership of our own community is a massively important step and hopefully the solutions you create make the process easy. 

There are already many established communities online, are there going to be ways to integrate them into a Steem community or, easily tokenize their existing platform with an SMT?
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@organduo · 
And how Stem Engine communities and tokens will be integrated into all of this?

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@tarazkp · 
I think @aggroed wrote something about this the other day.
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@sepracore · 
That makes a lot of sense. Good idea.
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@tensor · (edited)
Whats the incentive to come over to steem? Why should a normal person choose to pay money to access this platform? 

Not only does Steem have to overcome the cryptocurrency stigma; it has to contend with the inherent flaws of being a social media platform without any true moderation.  The main exposure of the platform are from things like cliques, infighting, drama, and bidbots; you rarely read a news article on steem that talks positively about the platform these days.  

Also, don't you guys see the irony of gating off a "decentralized" community?  Steem inc shouldn't be worried about the social platform; instead they should be making the technology better and leaving moderation to the community.  Its still fairly expensive to deploy a witness; until this is fixed, the platform stays centralized.
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@theguruasia · 
@steemitblog,
Few months back, STEEMIT had to call a lay off, and survived just after adding Advertising with STEEMIT. Google Adsense did a huge roll in that case and now I see you already left Adsense and I see one ad, probably a ponzi scheme is hanging around. 
Before we go mass, it's better your team make a fix income via Adsense or that type of another 3rd party! If you became unbalance like you did before, we have/had to face another chaos like we are experiencing now with price drop and etc!
Developers should get an incentive and people who are not expert devs, but has crazy thoughts to bring valuable projects into the platform should get rewarded and should help the community to make them happened!
I didn't see that platform is not yet developed! It's a must, but I prefer 3rd party income to make things stable before we talk about go mass or go global or whatever!
$trdo

Cheers~
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@tidnull · 
I know this post is about the advent of Steemit’s digital community feature, but I happen to be working on a platform that allows real world self governance and infrastructure funding through tokenizing each neighborhood’s market value. I wonder if Steemit’s community features would be beneficial to such an effort. 🧐 

My newest update on the project: 
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@tidnull/update-on-blockchain-neighborhood-selfgovernance-platform-hswafnec
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@uwelang ·
$1.42
As a guy that was already leading / owning communities on pre blockchain platforms that rewarded people for the content they contributed I was eagerly awaiting this BUT this is now too late. We have communities by the tribes / tokens on steem-engine. I do not see any need anymore. Not that I am fan of the @aggroed clan but they handled this already.

The issue we face is the Steem prize even this Blockchain has great Apps and is awesome as a Blockchain. 

Question is: Who needs the social media content rewarding part as "steemit"? It is per design never fair! Get rid of that and focus on DApps running on steem. We do need investors NOT masses. We need masses for DApps on the chain but not to create content. The content platform is fine but stop the reward part of it. The niches / tribes can cover that content rewarding part. 

Just my #2cents
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@felipejoys ·
$0.03
> We do need investors NOT masses

what. no. wtf

Opening a new store on a desert town *(hyperbole)* is a shitty idea.
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@fredrikaa ·
$0.12
It would be so much simpler if dApps and businesses demanded STEEM to have their product on-chain and then could reward that in tokens that they themselves need to sustain the value of, rather than just printing STEEM and hope that somehow it attracts more value than it dilutes (it doesn't).

Tribes and communities/SMTs are one way of doing it, but honestly you could do it with just liquid STEEM too with a model somewhat similar to what drugwars did except that one has a sustainable revenue model for bringing in STEEM that grows with the userbase (selling ad space for STEEM, letting people buy unique pro-features, etc, etc) which becomes the reward pool.

At least I've been trying to share the idea that what actually works on Steem can be done (imo better) without inflation-dervied rewards (communities should be able to distribute rewards however they like, but they should have to sustain its value themselves).

Honestly, this would not only remove the biggest value-leak in Steem. And the biggest turn-off point for investors (hign inflation going to rather meaningless things). It would also improve the actual social media and content discovery part, as people could finally vote more "normal" instead of based on what they hope will result in rewards. Looking back at the last 3 years and how much time was spent by clever people figuring out how to min max their returns from inflation through bots, rather than building attractive products... The time spent by author sucking up to whales rather than sharing their content and Steem externally to create a network effect. To me, this is perhaps the main issue with the stake-based reard model, that it only incentivizes people to share to those who know the most about Steem, rather than to those who have not yet heard iof it. This is how any other blog or social media has grown in the past, users doing the marketing and onboarding other users _themselves_.
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@joeyarnoldvn · 
That's how free markets work, you're right, that pumping more in didn't fix Venezuela, etc, and it's dangerous but better to let the users invest into it and reap the rewards. Well, technically, people have put money into Steem. But like you said, the automatic pool system might be a bit like welfare, Universal Social Income, socialism communism, Obama Robin Hood Bernie Sanders Redistribution of the original oatmeal or I mean the wealth, etc, etc.
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@raycoms ·
$0.11
I think you are completely forgetting one big point. All these Dapps are not going to help anyone if there are no consumers. So you need to onboard masses to use those Dapps and bring FIAT to those Dapps which then reflects in a higher Steem price. People buying Steem to speculate on the price (investors) are not what we need to create a stable ecosystem. We need apps and we need users.
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@uwelang · 
True, but I see the investor part is more important right now. The masses will come if they see fun or added value in DApps but as long as the price goes down and no one invests many will see it as a useless scam - the thing is we have great DApps, we also have a good bunch of users - another cooperation with corporates that could be part of this blockchain would be cool, say a Samsung incoporates a "Steem account" when selling their hardware.
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@zanoni ·
$0.03
Sorry, without masses, no investors, it's that easy... 
Steem needs mass adoption. 
Have a great day
Tom
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@valued-customer ·
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I am very supportive of SOC (SMTs, Oracles, and Communities), the vision I heard @ned describe a while back when he was in Korea.  Since then some network issues have revealed that censorship is a larger problem than a platform can solve.  

>"...people will be able to create communities, on the internet, that they own."

No, they won't.  As long as ISPs, Domain registrars, and other entities can sever their connections, delete or edit their communications, or otherwise control their access to those communities, they will not own those communities.  Possession is necessary for ownership, and possession will be a privilege granted by those controlling the network.

More will be necessary to enable ownership, and that is possession of the network itself.  Don't get me wrong.  Implementing communities will be a good thing.  But, those communities will be vulnerable to censors, just like Alex Jones, Mike Adams, and Julian Assange have proved to be.  One lesson you seem to have not grasped from the Steem beta is that censorship is far more than just complete eradication of all forms of some particular information.  Ask @skeptic, or @kawaiicrush, or @fulltimegeek, if you can be censored on Steem.  

A lot of people have been censored by a couple of bullets to the back of the head.  Steem can't do anything to prevent that kind of censorship, so it's correct to note that Steem is but censorship resistant, but it's also obvious that taking out the nodes is all it takes to censor everyone on Steem.  Anonymous has been fighting to keep it's community as multiple vectors of censorship have cut their lines of communication.  The Daily Stormer can't even get a domain.  No New Zealand citizen can (legally) access the chans today because the government ordered ISPs to not resolve their domain names.  No community is possible when censors prevent their communications, and you've not presented a mechanism that potentially enables secure communications despite the internet demonstrably being censored to destroy communities.  

>"<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship">Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient"...</a>"

There's even more to it than that, such as editing it, misrepresenting it, and of course just shooting people to shut them up, but you'll note that nowhere does any authoritative definition of censorship limit it to complete eradication.  Even though Andrew Breitbart is dead, statements he made regarding John Podesta are still available.  I actually don't think information can be completely eradicated, so such a definition is unreasonable.  The point is that communities will be dependent on censorship resistance, and not possessions, but privileges just like Steem.

Until those problems are resolved, actual ownership of communities will not be possible.  It will be like title to acreage on the Moon: without value unless you can get there and use it.  

I'm not even saying you have to solve those problems.  I'm pointing out that you're overpromising, again.  I'll also note that Goodwill is your only real asset.  Everything else Steemit, Inc. possesses is without value if no community uses it, and they'll only use what you can provide if you have Goodwill.  HF21 is going to cost you a lot of Goodwill, and particularly the downvote pool that increases the VP of whales by 25% to flag rewards back to the pool where they can use the weight of their stakes to have a second try at extracting it to their wallets.

EIP is extremely unfriendly to new users, and I reckon you're jumping the shark talking about communities before that disaster is initiated.  Let's see what @berniesanders does with 25% of his VP in free flags before you offer people things that cannot be delivered.  After we have a gander at the aftermath of HF21, I'll be interested in your plans to create a mechanism that enables folks to build communities, but if downvoters can devalue the communications between members of those communities, extracting the rewards they'd otherwise allocate each other, there's not much point.

No matter what you can do, you can't offer people ownership of anything you can't grant them possession of.  This is why I have been very encouraged by Mira, as it made many more nodes potential, and greatly reduces the risk of censoring Steem by taking down nodes.  Communities will be a great advance, and so will SMTs, but they won't be possessions.  They'll be privileges allowed by those than control the networks they reside on, just like @fulltimegeek's account is on Steem.  Dial it down a bit, and stick to facts, please.
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@joeyarnoldvn · (edited)
True, we are not there yet, but it is a step in the right direction. However, at the same time, there are projects out there seeking to find ways around ISPs, DNSes, government servers, GoDaddy, Comcast, maybe even some of the data centers, the backbone of the Internet, the Internet mega highways where most web traffic flows through assuming they are too centralized, etc. Steem is only part of the bigger puzzle of creating a decentralized blockchain Internet 3.0 which will be rising in the 2020's like never ever before.
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@valued-customer · 
I've been looking about a bit, and note things like zeronet, blockchan, IPFS and other outfits that limit dependency on centralized services.  However, as long as we are dependent on ISPs we are surfing at privilege, and New Zealand has directed ISPs there to not resolve the chans, censoring all it's population at once.  We need mesh networks in order to become uncensorable, or some mechanism that routes around ISPs.
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@wesphilbin · 
We do this every day... between the @heyhaveyamet community, as well as providing valuable and positive information at the @steemterminal. The hardest thing we face, in my opinion, is the means to reach everyone. Dealing with the lack of SP on my end limits what I can do... so I have created the #thoughtfuldailypost movement,  to spread positive energy across the Blockchain. 

It is my hope, that others will continue to use my tag, and maybe someday,  I will be able to reward everyone with more than just a "thank you "...

Positive, *organic* engagement will hopefully **never** go out of style. 

Thank you for your hard work and time my friends...

Wes
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@whyaskwhy · 
Crowd boarding , definitely would deepen block chain ; content and activity. But could the same be said about Steem value which is driving the divestment and powering down??

I opined otherwise!! 

Thus activities that impacts on reward for quality and equity , instead of mechanised bot reward ought to be accorded prime attention!

Endeavor to drive Steem value northward, otherwise, little will be achieved!!
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