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Self-voting user list since HF19 by calamus056

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Self-voting user list since HF19
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Self-voting is a hot topic lately. As a follow up of my [last article](https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/extensive-curation-stats-overview-since-hf19-june-20th-2017), here is the list of all self-voters that rewarded themselves with at least $100 SBD total from June 20th - July 18th 2017. All SBD values are from posts + comments and are excluding curation rewards. **The total amount of visible self-votes in that period was $175,181.088 SBD (8.47% of total author rewards).**

**DISCLAIMER:** The information in this article shouldn't be perceived as 100% accurate. When you spot significant errors, please leave a comment. Also keep in mind that the full list below is a raw data dump. In no way is it implied that all cases are considered problematic. It's for you to decide what you think about it and what to do with the information.  The reason for names being included is that this is public information and others will release (and some already have released) the information independently.

# Top 10 by SBD amount
| Name          | Total SBD  | SBD on self | % of SBD on self |
|---------------|------------|-------------|------------------|
| tamim         | $16,923.26 | $11,974.54  | 70.76%           |
| craig-grant   | $9,307.19  | $5,171.56   | 55.57%           |
| eeks          | $5,593.42  | $4,639.92   | 82.95%           |
| sigizzang     | $7,705.30  | $4,333.82   | 56.24%           |
| ramta         | $9,030.16  | $3,234.69   | 35.82%           |
| surfyogi      | $3,666.10  | $2,290.26   | 62.47%           |
| sandrino      | $2,480.41  | $2,200.11   | 88.70%           |
| acidyo        | $25,851.55 | $2,189.28   | 8.47%            |
| onceuponatime | $10,964.62 | $2,016.45   | 18.39%           |
| slowwalker    | $13,630.01 | $1,738.40   | 12.75%           |

# Top 10 by selfishness
| Name          | Total SBD | SBD on self | % of SBD on self |
|---------------|-----------|-------------|------------------|
| greatpath     | $1,580.24 | $1,573.13   | 99.55%           |
| predictor2100 | $138.80   | $138.05     | 99.46%           |
| tard          | $203.50   | $201.82     | 99.17%           |
| evanrvoss     | $625.84   | $613.88     | 98.09%           |
| carlperna     | $120.54   | $118.15     | 98.02%           |
| crypto-p      | $1,434.53 | $1,401.99   | 97.73%           |
| storcogato    | $320.45   | $312.82     | 97.62%           |
| jimjam1210    | $750.74   | $731.35     | 97.42%           |
| daniel82      | $530.94   | $508.47     | 95.77%           |
| dantethegreat | $219.05   | $206.67     | 94.35%           |

# Top 10 on comments
| Name          | SBD on self |
|---------------|-------------|
| eeks          | $4,244.817    |
| sigizzang     | $4,172.934    |
| ramta         | $3,094.772    |
| surfyogi      | $2,177.492    |
| onceuponatime | $1,886.286    |
| pal           | $1,579.472    |
| inventor16    | $1,571.245    |
| greatpath     |$1,404.470    |
| oldtimer      | $1,284.029    |
| crypto-p      | $1,003.981    |

# Full list
| Name             | Total SBD  | SBD on self | % of SBD on self |
|------------------|------------|-------------|------------------|
| abdullar         | $4,870.38  | $403.81     | 8.29%            |
| acceptkim        | $857.55    | $101.83     | 11.87%           |
| ace108           | $3,426.24  | $144.62     | 4.22%            |
| achim86          | $219.96    | $111.83     | 50.84%           |
| acidyo           | $25,851.55 | $2,189.28   | 8.47%            |
| adamhole         | $274.88    | $172.61     | 62.80%           |
| aiqabrago        | $3,917.12  | $142.69     | 3.64%            |
| albensilverberg  | $977.20    | $277.17     | 28.36%           |
| alexbeyman       | $1,560.14  | $130.12     | 8.34%            |
| alienbutt        | $505.87    | $177.51     | 35.09%           |
| allasyummyfood   | $738.48    | $153.49     | 20.78%           |
| anarchyhasnogods | $605.92    | $453.09     | 74.78%           |
| angel76          | $348.67    | $131.02     | 37.58%           |
| anwenbaumeister  | $3,518.42  | $175.02     | 4.97%            |
| arcange          | $616.41    | $160.32     | 26.01%           |
| ash              | $292.52    | $193.41     | 66.12%           |
| ats-david        | $9,126.23  | $452.72     | 4.96%            |
| ausbitbank       | $22,586.99 | $151.21     | 0.67%            |
| avarice          | $278.33    | $205.70     | 73.91%           |
| avilsd           | $371.51    | $345.49     | 93.00%           |
| b0y2k            | $540.59    | $175.65     | 32.49%           |
| baharoba         | $1,269.59  | $238.63     | 18.80%           |
| barbro           | $1,063.71  | $165.19     | 15.53%           |
| barrydutton      | $1,156.32  | $482.45     | 41.72%           |
| bayrene          | $941.44    | $526.83     | 55.96%           |
| billbutler       | $1,052.43  | $207.19     | 19.69%           |
| bleujay          | $2,474.36  | $385.87     | 15.59%           |
| blocktrades      | $44,630.76 | $330.37     | 0.74%            |
| blueorgy         | $1,073.85  | $518.54     | 48.29%           |
| broncnutz        | $1,005.50  | $491.28     | 48.86%           |
| btcmillionaire   | $383.13    | $241.82     | 63.12%           |
| bullionstackers  | $707.78    | $111.15     | 15.70%           |
| camilla          | $594.46    | $100.19     | 16.85%           |
| capper2016       | $306.99    | $144.93     | 47.21%           |
| carface          | $975.44    | $842.80     | 86.40%           |
| carlperna        | $120.54    | $118.15     | 98.02%           |
| cervantes        | $3,859.38  | $122.16     | 3.17%            |
| chessmonster     | $584.57    | $105.07     | 17.97%           |
| chhaylin         | $964.12    | $294.94     | 30.59%           |
| chrissysworld    | $278.98    | $115.13     | 41.27%           |
| clains           | $948.05    | $117.93     | 12.44%           |
| cnstlf60         | $1,498.82  | $153.50     | 10.24%           |
| cognoscere       | $596.81    | $180.60     | 30.26%           |
| coinlend         | $171.42    | $159.87     | 93.26%           |
| corn113          | $2,726.07  | $528.77     | 19.40%           |
| craig-grant      | $9,307.19  | $5,171.56   | 55.57%           |
| craigemslie      | $401.84    | $378.47     | 94.19%           |
| crypto-p         | $1,434.53  | $1,401.99   | 97.73%           |
| cryptoctopus     | $7,224.65  | $139.97     | 1.94%            |
| cryptokraze      | $119.19    | $103.04     | 86.45%           |
| ctrl-alt-nwo     | $360.71    | $202.10     | 56.03%           |
| czechglobalhosts | $272.68    | $236.12     | 86.59%           |
| damarth          | $3,787.14  | $756.10     | 19.96%           |
| dana-edwards     | $712.94    | $305.63     | 42.87%           |
| dang007          | $884.21    | $665.83     | 75.30%           |
| daniel82         | $530.94    | $508.47     | 95.77%           |
| danlupi          | $600.20    | $136.39     | 22.72%           |
| dantethegreat    | $219.05    | $206.67     | 94.35%           |
| daveks           | $1,306.44  | $376.41     | 28.81%           |
| davidding        | $989.65    | $549.93     | 55.57%           |
| davidp           | $725.25    | $268.40     | 37.01%           |
| deanliu          | $3,657.37  | $249.46     | 6.82%            |
| dennisschroeder  | $377.87    | $116.65     | 30.87%           |
| digdaga          | $144.09    | $105.54     | 73.24%           |
| digital-gypsy    | $315.43    | $233.10     | 73.90%           |
| dirkzett         | $1,663.12  | $147.70     | 8.88%            |
| djohan           | $245.15    | $132.71     | 54.13%           |
| dolphinstudios   | $154.53    | $105.24     | 68.10%           |
| domino           | $1,038.34  | $518.18     | 49.90%           |
| donkeypong       | $16,668.53 | $160.14     | 0.96%            |
| dowha            | $214.06    | $178.68     | 83.47%           |
| dragonslayer109  | $2,479.33  | $195.72     | 7.89%            |
| dragosroua       | $406.20    | $138.84     | 34.18%           |
| dwinblood        | $960.72    | $216.31     | 22.51%           |
| dyuryul          | $1,210.45  | $139.02     | 11.48%           |
| eeks             | $5,593.42  | $4,639.92   | 82.95%           |
| elgeko           | $411.13    | $108.74     | 26.45%           |
| elyaque          | $1,903.48  | $247.92     | 13.02%           |
| eric-boucher     | $583.53    | $291.16     | 49.90%           |
| ericwoelk        | $189.31    | $115.68     | 61.10%           |
| ervin-lemark     | $255.54    | $191.90     | 75.09%           |
| etcmike          | $1,318.88  | $309.53     | 23.47%           |
| evanrvoss        | $625.84    | $613.88     | 98.09%           |
| everittdmickey   | $665.30    | $440.61     | 66.23%           |
| extrospect       | $1,582.02  | $946.87     | 59.85%           |
| exyle            | $4,332.41  | $844.43     | 19.49%           |
| financialcritic  | $270.46    | $160.51     | 59.35%           |
| firepower        | $988.97    | $154.04     | 15.58%           |
| fisch            | $134.47    | $112.09     | 83.36%           |
| flipstar         | $456.92    | $185.86     | 40.68%           |
| fminerten1       | $653.39    | $377.27     | 57.74%           |
| fredinjapan64    | $171.37    | $156.30     | 91.20%           |
| freeyourmind     | $12,928.52 | $392.84     | 3.04%            |
| fubar-bdhr       | $785.32    | $191.09     | 24.33%           |
| full-measure     | $454.74    | $115.31     | 25.36%           |
| funnyman         | $389.29    | $203.63     | 52.31%           |
| fxminer          | $600.98    | $538.41     | 89.59%           |
| fyrstikken       | $18,797.81 | $264.59     | 1.41%            |
| g-no             | $541.33    | $379.85     | 70.17%           |
| gardenofeden     | $873.32    | $136.87     | 15.67%           |
| gavvet           | $22,720.95 | $1,549.61   | 6.82%            |
| germanlifestyle  | $197.42    | $103.33     | 52.34%           |
| gigafart         | $3,715.06  | $328.42     | 8.84%            |
| glitterfart      | $18,844.28 | $536.35     | 2.85%            |
| gogumacat        | $4,622.86  | $201.44     | 4.36%            |
| goldmatters      | $1,472.43  | $418.15     | 28.40%           |
| good-karma       | $23,555.41 | $395.99     | 1.68%            |
| gotoperson       | $6,424.40  | $888.02     | 13.82%           |
| greatpath        | $1,580.24  | $1,573.13   | 99.55%           |
| greenman         | $3,347.51  | $228.10     | 6.81%            |
| greensmile       | $288.33    | $244.21     | 84.70%           |
| gregm            | $814.98    | $136.06     | 16.69%           |
| gringalicious    | $2,016.90  | $370.41     | 18.37%           |
| grognak          | $1,199.59  | $458.73     | 38.24%           |
| halo             | $728.98    | $472.77     | 64.85%           |
| hanshotfirst     | $3,997.95  | $247.79     | 6.20%            |
| hjk96            | $267.27    | $101.11     | 37.83%           |
| homeartpictures  | $719.40    | $327.06     | 45.46%           |
| honna            | $928.00    | $223.98     | 24.14%           |
| hossary          | $405.33    | $172.64     | 42.59%           |
| htooms           | $4,337.70  | $163.43     | 3.77%            |
| hunhani          | $391.53    | $126.66     | 32.35%           |
| immarojas        | $139.71    | $100.26     | 71.76%           |
| inber            | $254.59    | $102.03     | 40.08%           |
| innuendo         | $2,093.35  | $105.72     | 5.05%            |
| inuk             | $946.66    | $352.55     | 37.24%           |
| inventor16       | $3,695.98  | $1,727.06   | 46.73%           |
| itchykitten      | $1,293.85  | $147.16     | 11.37%           |
| its4thekids      | $138.09    | $100.83     | 73.02%           |
| itsmein3d        | $703.76    | $300.77     | 42.74%           |
| jacobcards       | $937.70    | $618.62     | 65.97%           |
| jaki01           | $1,283.83  | $214.91     | 16.74%           |
| janusface        | $233.76    | $134.69     | 57.62%           |
| jejujinfarm      | $4,320.92  | $741.11     | 17.15%           |
| jerrybanfield    | $2,090.10  | $280.67     | 13.43%           |
| jiahn            | $1,136.88  | $134.80     | 11.86%           |
| jimjam1210       | $750.74    | $731.35     | 97.42%           |
| jkkim            | $562.02    | $340.28     | 60.55%           |
| joele            | $1,607.58  | $263.25     | 16.38%           |
| johnsmith        | $1,513.63  | $778.47     | 51.43%           |
| jordanmchale     | $120.46    | $105.00     | 87.16%           |
| jrcornel         | $4,786.54  | $1,437.04   | 30.02%           |
| jrlo             | $180.34    | $133.19     | 73.85%           |
| julianita        | $4,343.21  | $655.08     | 15.08%           |
| juliank          | $655.42    | $199.15     | 30.39%           |
| kaarel           | $248.89    | $153.46     | 61.66%           |
| kafkanarchy84    | $1,019.45  | $232.01     | 22.76%           |
| katythompson     | $215.21    | $128.64     | 59.77%           |
| kaylinart        | $3,768.03  | $727.33     | 19.30%           |
| kb720k           | $3,313.78  | $443.86     | 13.39%           |
| kevinwong        | $8,123.50  | $270.96     | 3.34%            |
| kingscrown       | $19,199.09 | $1,383.92   | 7.21%            |
| kiporen212       | $579.29    | $166.37     | 28.72%           |
| klye             | $903.26    | $107.20     | 11.87%           |
| knircky          | $2,400.38  | $141.04     | 5.88%            |
| knozaki2015      | $2,298.85  | $560.21     | 24.37%           |
| konelectric      | $202.63    | $117.81     | 58.14%           |
| koreaculture     | $161.33    | $143.05     | 88.67%           |
| kurtbeil         | $1,042.53  | $179.64     | 17.23%           |
| kus-knee         | $2,403.98  | $839.13     | 34.91%           |
| lasseehlers      | $347.91    | $229.17     | 65.87%           |
| lastminuteman    | $873.40    | $111.06     | 12.72%           |
| lawrenceho84     | $237.08    | $119.23     | 50.29%           |
| leesol           | $1,457.70  | $100.96     | 6.93%            |
| leesunmoo        | $5,921.92  | $446.03     | 7.53%            |
| levycore         | $1,661.40  | $128.64     | 7.74%            |
| lexiconical      | $1,072.70  | $896.97     | 83.62%           |
| lichtblick       | $1,064.50  | $148.56     | 13.96%           |
| lifewordmission  | $6,706.88  | $410.00     | 6.11%            |
| lighthil         | $2,097.17  | $355.24     | 16.94%           |
| litcoinkid       | $408.27    | $188.96     | 46.28%           |
| ludorum          | $2,293.99  | $242.22     | 10.56%           |
| lukestokes       | $3,176.52  | $227.05     | 7.15%            |
| majes            | $550.87    | $144.60     | 26.25%           |
| mallorcaman      | $415.13    | $165.80     | 39.94%           |
| marco-delsalto   | $1,373.35  | $1,093.06   | 79.59%           |
| margaretwise     | $276.79    | $156.25     | 56.45%           |
| marketingmonk    | $232.98    | $104.59     | 44.89%           |
| markrmorrisjr    | $152.89    | $128.48     | 84.04%           |
| maryfavour       | $266.39    | $182.93     | 68.67%           |
| master-set       | $353.50    | $140.73     | 39.81%           |
| matt-a           | $4,561.67  | $783.13     | 17.17%           |
| me-tarzan        | $1,422.08  | $759.29     | 53.39%           |
| mexbit           | $682.22    | $371.62     | 54.47%           |
| michaellamden68  | $174.33    | $102.13     | 58.58%           |
| mindhunter       | $494.57    | $389.41     | 78.74%           |
| minnowsupport    | $5,391.20  | $141.33     | 2.62%            |
| modprobe         | $2,406.18  | $110.79     | 4.60%            |
| movievertigo     | $1,058.83  | $815.36     | 77.01%           |
| mrwalt           | $924.74    | $794.36     | 85.90%           |
| mynewsteemit     | $1,571.00  | $642.92     | 40.92%           |
| nanzo-scoop      | $11,890.91 | $688.43     | 5.79%            |
| nepd             | $454.86    | $178.61     | 39.27%           |
| netuoso          | $239.24    | $160.27     | 66.99%           |
| nextgen622       | $2,083.89  | $102.11     | 4.90%            |
| noaommerrr       | $1,806.95  | $313.22     | 17.33%           |
| novina           | $2,250.16  | $805.07     | 35.78%           |
| oceancoinz       | $1,385.33  | $672.05     | 48.51%           |
| officialfuzzy    | $19,601.45 | $579.85     | 2.96%            |
| oflyhigh         | $2,634.17  | $433.59     | 16.46%           |
| oldtimer         | $7,323.90  | $1,386.87   | 18.94%           |
| omido98          | $189.11    | $150.81     | 79.75%           |
| omninova         | $236.03    | $192.33     | 81.49%           |
| onceuponatime    | $10,964.62 | $2,016.45   | 18.39%           |
| onealfa          | $1,386.83  | $552.04     | 39.81%           |
| opheliafu        | $1,134.61  | $165.88     | 14.62%           |
| originate        | $235.30    | $162.78     | 69.18%           |
| otisbrown        | $4,532.38  | $723.46     | 15.96%           |
| paco             | $272.78    | $166.76     | 61.13%           |
| pagandance       | $404.79    | $116.64     | 28.82%           |
| pairmike         | $806.95    | $403.37     | 49.99%           |
| pal              | $2,238.40  | $1,653.40   | 73.87%           |
| papa-pepper      | $2,244.31  | $384.11     | 17.11%           |
| penguinpablo     | $1,682.02  | $715.06     | 42.51%           |
| pharesim         | $19,739.10 | $203.30     | 1.03%            |
| prameshtyagi     | $464.25    | $244.32     | 52.63%           |
| predictor2100    | $138.80    | $138.05     | 99.46%           |
| queeneleanor     | $112.54    | $103.13     | 91.64%           |
| r2cornell        | $860.84    | $169.30     | 19.67%           |
| ramengirl        | $1,562.98  | $242.43     | 15.51%           |
| ramta            | $9,030.16  | $3,234.69   | 35.82%           |
| realcodysimon    | $343.59    | $111.26     | 32.38%           |
| redpalestino     | $2,168.42  | $167.29     | 7.71%            |
| riosparada       | $624.23    | $512.21     | 82.05%           |
| rl90             | $550.21    | $435.71     | 79.19%           |
| robert-call      | $1,947.02  | $259.11     | 13.31%           |
| rok-sivante      | $6,047.03  | $391.17     | 6.47%            |
| romangt87        | $740.09    | $106.29     | 14.36%           |
| roomservice      | $354.29    | $101.75     | 28.72%           |
| rossenpavlov     | $426.38    | $135.36     | 31.75%           |
| royalmacro       | $434.74    | $156.84     | 36.08%           |
| runridefly       | $827.92    | $143.32     | 17.31%           |
| salva82          | $547.42    | $363.44     | 66.39%           |
| sandrino         | $2,480.41  | $2,200.11   | 88.70%           |
| sanghkaang       | $5,906.89  | $119.25     | 2.02%            |
| saramiller       | $1,156.07  | $153.63     | 13.29%           |
| sean-king        | $7,032.31  | $1,129.27   | 16.06%           |
| sebastianjago    | $899.06    | $311.78     | 34.68%           |
| sesangsokuro     | $1,012.63  | $113.95     | 11.25%           |
| sigizzang        | $7,705.30  | $4,333.82   | 56.24%           |
| sinnanda2627     | $1,178.32  | $193.58     | 16.43%           |
| skt              | $2,369.83  | $194.39     | 8.20%            |
| slowwalker       | $13,630.01 | $1,738.40   | 12.75%           |
| sneakgeekz       | $559.35    | $240.78     | 43.05%           |
| sochul           | $3,595.48  | $526.35     | 14.64%           |
| soundlegion      | $614.87    | $190.21     | 30.93%           |
| stackin          | $398.57    | $144.19     | 36.18%           |
| steemdoge        | $329.95    | $281.75     | 85.39%           |
| steempower       | $4,555.86  | $217.41     | 4.77%            |
| stefanarud       | $180.54    | $159.48     | 88.33%           |
| stellabelle      | $6,485.92  | $295.80     | 4.56%            |
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| storcogato       | $320.45    | $312.82     | 97.62%           |
| streetstyle      | $1,486.41  | $193.94     | 13.05%           |
| successtrainer   | $1,037.19  | $121.27     | 11.69%           |
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| susanne          | $1,555.24  | $409.90     | 26.36%           |
| sweetsssj        | $3,977.05  | $837.30     | 21.05%           |
| swisswatcher     | $365.80    | $198.46     | 54.25%           |
| sykochica        | $554.41    | $132.21     | 23.85%           |
| tamim            | $16,923.26 | $11,974.54  | 70.76%           |
| tard             | $203.50    | $201.82     | 99.17%           |
| tarekadam        | $1,261.23  | $321.86     | 25.52%           |
| teamsteem        | $25,809.87 | $216.68     | 0.84%            |
| thecryptofiend   | $2,844.71  | $217.98     | 7.66%            |
| theprophet0      | $19,653.02 | $429.63     | 2.19%            |
| timsaid          | $13,155.27 | $706.92     | 5.37%            |
| tradeqwik        | $5,882.63  | $104.21     | 1.77%            |
| trafalgar        | $28,932.77 | $1,341.97   | 4.64%            |
| transisto        | $11,227.45 | $996.97     | 8.88%            |
| trevonjb         | $2,604.85  | $576.02     | 22.11%           |
| triplej          | $754.56    | $154.18     | 20.43%           |
| tristanacra      | $236.75    | $186.73     | 78.87%           |
| troglodactyl     | $694.65    | $229.68     | 33.06%           |
| twinner          | $7,252.20  | $105.40     | 1.45%            |
| usammiismi       | $446.81    | $181.62     | 40.65%           |
| v4vapid          | $3,331.57  | $379.04     | 11.38%           |
| vcelier          | $6,754.67  | $196.10     | 2.90%            |
| venti            | $2,235.12  | $326.35     | 14.60%           |
| very             | $775.98    | $197.16     | 25.41%           |
| vimva            | $2,692.29  | $156.23     | 5.80%            |
| virus707         | $1,232.84  | $654.44     | 53.08%           |
| webdeals         | $2,619.52  | $881.48     | 33.65%           |
| whatageek        | $588.78    | $199.03     | 33.80%           |
| wjdtka915        | $626.61    | $117.99     | 18.83%           |
| worldclassplayer | $1,203.53  | $330.72     | 27.48%           |
| xaero1           | $8,656.09  | $102.90     | 1.19%            |
| xpilar           | $808.33    | $123.68     | 15.30%           |
| ydauti           | $284.27    | $184.37     | 64.86%           |
| yetaras          | $389.06    | $119.25     | 30.65%           |
| yoonjang0707     | $2,522.39  | $276.36     | 10.96%           |
| zeartul          | $228.87    | $157.74     | 68.92%           |

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@akrid ·
This is excellent information. Good to know.  Thank you so much!
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@allfabeta ·
$0.05
I'm personally surprised to see witnesses and very respected users  there

I would agree to see percentage 10-20, that means other 80% have been shared with community...

 but then I saw 40-50-60% for a witness , than means only one thing - this person works for himself here, not for the community. Witness who works here for his own pocket and don't believe in Steemit as a platform should be fired from a witness position.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Interesting vision. I'm not sure if most people think the same way though. But you're probably right. In fact, witnesses already make money by being a witness, right?
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@allfabeta ·
yes, indeed.
 and if they also have eaten our reward pool that means they  should cut their.... appetite .... somehow :)
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @calamus056!
Your post was mentioned in the [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170723) in the following category:

* Comments - Ranked 5 with 183 comments
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@artakan ·
$0.26
Experiment
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@calamus056 ·
Did it succeed? :)
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@ausbitbank ·
$0.02
Those stats for me ignore that with the stories I self-voted on it was usually only 25% power and I donate the proceeds elsewhere anyway. I'm mostly rejecting payments these days, and haven't self voted those posts at all..
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@calamus056 ·
$0.63
Dude, it's only 0.67% :)

You're an example for everyone. Keep it up!
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@command-center ·
"I donate all my self votes away." LOL  Scamming shithead.
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@ausbitbank ·
fuck off nog
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@barrydutton ·
I am finding this all very interesting and also disheartening at times for the long term benefit of the platform and the masses.  

I was messaging people today on an account draining $200 /  day some days, on ~ 15 posts/day simply posting everyone else's content and YT videos, not even adding any wording hardly to the post..... and never replying to comments.  

10 -15 posts every single day for weeks and weeks, at over $10 and $15/post and the person has about 50k Steem Power also.  

So for most people wanting to challenge them, they risk getting flagged by big accounts like this and they have nearly 3k followers also.

I decided to post twice on their page today about it.... you can check my comments tab from a few hours ago.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$2.05
I'm not scared of them. All i want is justice and won't refrain from making my opinion public. I've already got another unfollow (obviously from a user that self-voted almost 100% of the time) ;)
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@barrydutton ·
Oh I understand believe me as someone who has questioned things on here and lost support because I am not part of the 1% in most ways.  In some categories, I am - but not in my heart or daily approach as some of the 1%'ism in life goes hahaha!!   (: 

I was giving thought to this, since I do NOT self vote as much as some of this would appear, so here is some perspective:

----

1/ I saw my name on there too and I am now questioning the bots or how that stat is actually calculated because I spend so much time voting for others, there is NO WAY ( I do not think ) --- that 41% of my SBD is coming from self votes, I don't know how else to say it and wonder how flawed that calculation can be honestly.

**NOT an attack, just an honest question, if you have the time to provide the bots or math or program doing this etc, because I have tried to challenge some of the practices here, draining from mass adoption and help here, and nobody questions that**


2/ I had a shower and thought more about this. I UV my comments at times at low power to pin stuff to the top of my replies so people read them, ie my #SteemitCampfire stuff, where I post food or drinks for everyone in the post to get it started LOL. 

Medium power if I really want to be heard in a post. 

**The kicker is that some people are not UV their own posts upon publishing them since that change took place and I do 5 posts a day on my page meaning that is about 150 posts of my own content a month, at around $3 or 4/vote. That is the bulk of this by far.... and I publish more content and engage more people daily than a lot (most?) people.  And I work hard doing that, to help people, and build community..... not take from it.....**

**It just makes me look bad, and does not distinguish such basal factors.**

----

I think as long as the math is right, etc etc --- what you are providing is valuable, for sure.

Should I UV this post to the top of the comments now?  

LOL!!

- Have a nice week Calamus and everyone else.  Always try to remain balanced in all things, perspectives included.
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@biophil ·
I like lists. I even like lists of shame. But what we can't tell here is which of these upvotes are good and which are bad. Some self-votes will be obviously bad; such as those where the person posts ten nested comments with the text "spam" and upvotes all of them. Others will be votes on content that was generated with effort and in good faith.

So I question whether lists like these are really valuable unless you have some reasonably accurate way to tell the difference automatically. 

**I'd be very interested in working with you to create an algorithm that attempts to catch out spammy upvotes!**
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@calamus056 ·
The selfish top 10 is almost guaranteed to be exclusively abusers. You can contact me on steemit.chat or discord to run over some queries together if you want.
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@bitcoinflood ·
$0.11
Its one of those things that needs to just be removed I believe you should be able to upvote your own post if you wish to but not comments you make. Its gotten to the point where you feel like you have to upvote yourself non stop otherwise your falling further and further behind and a few top earners are hording all the money.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
If too many people are starting to think like this, then it's going to be really problematic indeed. Let's hope you're the exception.

Luckily a lot of people have been discussing it for weeks and are working on solutions.
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@bitcoinflood ·
$0.12
I think like that and I know a large majority of people on here do new and old timers. But still I keep my self voting to a minimum and always upvote things I enjoy and comments I like as well.
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@blackamine ·
So is upvoting yourself selfish?
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@calamus056 ·
No not at all, the word "self" isn't at all in the word "yourself" :p
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@bluelightbandit ·
I still don't understand whats wrong and what's right. I stopped upvoting my own posts because of all the hype and I don't want to be blackballed. I'm still just a nobody so I don't think it really matters. Although, I have promoted my own post as soon as I post it, if I think it will be popular lol. I wonder if that is frowned upon also?
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@calamus056 · (edited)
If you mean upvoting your own posts, that's generally accepted when it's not too much spam. On comments people are starting to be against it more and more (unless it's once in a while, then it's fine).
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@bluelightbandit ·
Cool, I don't think I have ever upvoted my own comment but I have upvoted my blogs, well some of them. Thanks for commenting!
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@clintjunior · (edited)
$0.05
It's disgusting! I NEVER upvote my own comments.......
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@brianjuice ·
😂
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@calamus056 · (edited)
@clintjunior I like your trolling, but it's a serious problem when too many people (especially big players) do it.
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@clintjunior ·
I know, and I completely agree. One day I saw a guy upvote his own comments in a discussion and every upvote was worth $95, and for the original poster who he was talking to - he was only upvoting him $5. I found it obscene! I actually think something must be done.
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@dobsdies ·
Best comment here. I would have been more upset if you didn't upvote yourself on this.
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@geneeverett ·
Why when I post is my vote always on my posts ? I never do it manually but it's automatic. I'm new here just noticed this and Linda confused
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@calamus056 ·
Go to "Submit a Story" and there's a checkbox "Upvote post" under the rewards combo box.
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@clintjunior ·
$0.02
When you publish a post there is a box you can tick or untick. Tell Linda not to be so confused.
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@crypto-investor ·
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I upvote myself and I have no problem with it.

Why should we kowtow to a warped sense of fictional internet morality?  I don't follow made-up moral codes of people who do not even have a concept of moral.

Now that I saw this post, and you guys shaming people who upvote themselves, I am going to double-down my upvoting myself.  I will be upvoting my comments, I will be upvoting my posts.  I really wasn't too concerned about it lately, but I will start again.  I want to be on your shaming lists, where you try to ruin the STEEM community with your divisiveness.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
It's already divided. You are in the pro self-vote group and can't even join the discussion without going all defensive and irrational. That way it will stay divided. 

Self-voting contributes nothing to the platform, in fact it only takes away from the platform. That's irrefutable. If you're not satisfied with 1.4% interest on your SP and curation rewards of 10-20% ROI per year and you also have to take some more from the reward pool, then you're just greedy. Simple as that. I don't blame you, but at least admit it. I have been greedy many times before, but it leads to nothing but problems. 

People need to understand that self-voting is only hurting themselves in the long run. 10-20% ROI per year is already hard to overcome and get the STEEM price steady or even rising, let alone when people take away 100%+ ROI per year with self-votes.

P.S.: This rant isn't necessarily addressed to you personally, because you only self-voted ~17% which is reasonable.
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@jaki01 · (edited)
$3.05
<blockquote>
Why should we kowtow to a warped sense of fictional internet morality?
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Who says it was about moral? It is obvious that people will do what the system allows, so the system is to blame and not the people. Why to 'blame'? Because in my opinion the platform (and the value of Steem) won't benefit from excessive self-voting in the long run.
HF 19 makes self-voting more beneficial which in my eyes doesn't contribute to a positive development of Steemit. People simply can write ten low quality articles every day now and upvote them themselves. There will be less motivation to write high quality articles and animate other members to upvote them and to communicate with each other. It will be kind of a dead platform which is less attractive for new users and potential investors.

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@daudimitch ·
Most ridiculous post I have come across, some of the folks are actively upvoting other accounts... they made the investment, they deserve to earn the reward... folks need to stop looking at what others are earning...
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$0.11
Buying SP and then self-voting isn't investing, it's just draining funds from the reward pool that could (should?) be used to reward authors, otherwise STEEM isn't worth anything. Voting on others earns you curation rewards without any negative effects to the platform. The less you vote on others, the more you're hurting your own investment.

This isn't about what people are earning, it's about the way they're "earning" it.
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@daudimitch ·
Post like these create bad blood, the data is tilted in a negative light, some of these folks also bring a lot of quality content on a daily basis, I am pretty sure you upvote your post as well, they made their investment in SP, don't make post in bad blood like that
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@daudimitch ·
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What's wrong with rewarding yourself, I would certainly love to upvote myself 10 if I had the steem power but I don't, so it's 1 or 2 cents, if they value their post at 20 dollars and upvote it, then what's wrong with that. I can tell you I have certainly benefited from the upvotes of quite a few folks on the list, and many others. It's not a spread across the ground wealth thing here, part of your earning depends on your investment. You don't know what folks sacrifice to reach at their SP level, don't trump the "reward pool" card.
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@smooth · (edited)
$1.43
> Buying SP and then self-voting isn't investing, it's just draining funds from the reward pool

No it isn't. The reward pool is fixed in terms of STEEM but not in terms of _value_ (dollars, etc.). STEEM only gets its _value_ from people buying it or holding it. Without people buying it, you can earn all the STEEM you want from the reward pool, but they will be worthless.

Someone who buys SP and then selfvotes is not 'draining' anything and at best can get back a portion of what was put in. It causes no harm at all.

Investors are the ones who underwrite _all_ of the rewards on this platform. If you are not an investor, or are only a smaller investor, you need to focus your efforts on creating inspiring content that makes investors _want to give their money to you_. Whatever _else_ they do or don't do with _their money_ (including self-voting) is not your concern and does not harm you in any way. Nevertheless, you do have a downvote that you can use to disagree with what you think are underserved rewards. I suggest using it.
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@stellabelle ·
$2.91
extreme selfish behaviour will indeed ruin this platform. Those that have like 98% of the rewards going to themselves is exactly the kind of thing that could make this place irrelevant. Looking at this info actually helps me understand human behavior better. I think @teamsteem is a great example of how one does not need to self-vote, even though he could. I guess I still have a ways to go.
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@varian.wyrnn ·
You concisely said what I have been preaching. Word up.
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@daudimitch ·
Some of these folks, hate what they are not getting... for me, I am happy to see folks earning and expressing themselves, we finally have something that shares the pie... I am more focus on trying to get followers that would actively vote on my content and get the level of making a decent earning... I hope he see's both side, the platform code always finds a balance
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@davebrewer ·
$8.66
If you don't think your own post is worthy of an upvote, you probably need to put more time and effort into producing a post you would be proud to upvote.  I don't have an issue with anyone upvoting their own content, it they believe it is worth an upvote.  

Same for comments to posts.  If you believe your comments are worth an upvote, then that is your belief and you can vote as you believe is best.

It looks bad in my opinion if more than 99% of your upvotes are for yourself, and you spend less than 1% on the community.  That looks like greediness.

Best solution is probably the path you are already taking.  

Publish a list of the greedy every week or month.  Those folks are then free to change their behavior or not  change their behavior as they desire.

With knowledge of who is behaving greedily, the community will have the information it needs to decide if it wants  to ostracize or celebrate the greedy.

And that is all we need for a solution.  

A decentralized solution based on information.  Simple.

We won't need long extended debates or discussion, on different opinions of right and wrong in this case.

Just make the information visible on measured results for "greediness behavior", and the community can decide what it wants to do collectively, by each person using their own best judgement on how to handle.

STEEM On!!

DaveB
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@acis ·
$1.73
I can understand for the newbies who churn out articles to be paid less than $1. I've pumped over 1k steem into powering up, I'm far from breaking even. 

But the amounts on that list.. some were crazy.. I wonder what they get from other users as well
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@calamus056 ·
You can use https://steemwhales.com to see what authors earned.
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@barrydutton ·
$0.39
Good stuff my man, I replied in this thread in a LOT more detail before I saw this reply of yours LOL

--

Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@clintjunior ·
$0.30
Nice comment Dave, give yourself a pat on the back... And an upvote.
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@davebrewer ·
Thanks for comment.  Back has been patted.

STEEM On!!
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@enjoykarma ·
..i m still new, but...sounds to me as the right answer!..even if at last it isn't clear to me how to think about upvoting one self...but to make info visible and let decide the community (or the base?) seems right..thank you..follow you..
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@inquiringtimes ·
$0.40
an interesting list to add would be a list of the most generous whales......
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@davebrewer ·
$3.73
I like your thought process.  

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, etc.

Keep steemit positive by focusing on positive reinforcements

STEEM On !!

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@jacksonoskele ·
We have a saying in our country, it says if you dont like the meat above your teeth then that is where you always teste. If you dont like what you create who is going to like it for you, though if your creativity worth voting definitely you will get people voting for you. And if voting for yourself is a bad thing in steemit then it should be allow. Everyone is entitle to his or her opinion anyway. Voting for only yourself is not a good thing for the steemit community buh voting for what you have create is not bad at all.
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@kyle.anderson ·
$3.07
Seems like you enjoyed the message in my post on self-votes. ([Subjective Proof of Work: some rational comments on the self-voting trend](https://steemit.com/steem/@kyle.anderson/subjective-proof-of-work-some-rational-comments-on-the-self-voting-trend))

Putting your money where your mouth is. 

The best thing is **information** and thanks to @calamus056 for sharding the data. This is what allows people to make the decisions they need. 

You can't stop self voting. Vests should be fungible.
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@rycharde ·
$0.09
Correct, and I have said this many time, one cannot stop self-voting (or if self-voting is not allowed then sock-puppet-voting) *but* the [rules can be changed so that it has less effect](https://steemit.com/steemit/@rycharde/proposal-for-new-rules-regarding-self-votes-and-voting-rings) on the whole ecosystem - and still allowing the investor-self-voter to earn a very good income over a year.
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@manonlescaut · (edited)
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Upvote, first of all for starting the conversation. But I don't only vote because I think my post is worth it. The only thing that matters is that I can make more money.  There are expectations of course but the general is not like that, and this is allright. You have to take care of it by financial incentives or obstacles. Voting for yourself, this is ridiculous. But as long as it is possible, I will do that, exactely like most of the others.
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@oudekaas ·
Hi Dave,

I struggle to agree on this one.
How is self voting justified?
It's like tipping yourself for doing a good job? Obviously people like their own posts why would you otherwise write them?
People are naturally taking the path of least resistence and just like I do, why wouldn't I upvote my own post of nobody else likes it.
How many stare at their blogs and notice that some posts you put a lot of time on didn't get any rewards.
Ah well I know a way just upvote myself, that is fair enough I earned it.
I do this and it feels wrong because you know Steemit loses a huge amount of rewards going to the wrong content makers. That reward money should end up at those who actually make good content and you can't possibly properly judge how much your own content is worth,
The top whales can earn thousands and thousands upvoting themselves. The curation by that simple reason is flawed.

Curating should be objective. I understand why people like selfvoting because the way the system now works, the more SP one holds the more selfindulging can take place.
The fact is, if people don't have an incentive to comment because they can simply upvote themselves they will, how is Steemit served by this?

If I go in the simulator doing a check flight and I think I did a good job am I going to sign myself off and reward me my flying license back?
Does a painter buy his own painting?

I don't know what the figure is of the amount of steemers selfvoting but I can only imagine that the numbers are massive.

Steemit would be so much greater if the curation worked more efficient.

Counterarguments are, well if we can't upvote ourselves why hold steem power we will lose a lot of investors.
I think this is the very reason why we need to get rid of it, as a lot of people (I don't blame them)are holding SP for the wrong reasons since the system allows it.

Counterarguments are:
1) i invested because of being able to selfvote (this is a terrible argument as it doesn't serve the bigger picture)
Steemit attracts most people due to earning without holding steem power. I personally think Steemit it will only grow majestically if the mainstream finds out you can really make proper money on making good content,
Right now it is pennies because the reward system is aimed at the higher levels and those who upvote themselves into richness. With the excuse that one should be able to like their own content and therefor pay yourself a nice amount as well.
By reading that alone the system is failed. No economic system works like that except a dictatorship perhaps.
2) people will start other accounts o upvot themselves. This again is no argument, at least we should try to minimize damages, by changing the fact that selfvoting is stupid and has to be disabled.
If people then think that they can open up other accounts to upvote this way, this should be classed as fraud and should be stopped. I am not sure why people say this can't be stopped. But surely collusion has to be stopped.
How else are you going to stop multiaccounting leaching thousands if not millions of dollars out of the system in the future.
I think it is very naive to think the system will police itself.

3)I can't think of any other arguments that seem reasonable.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe people don' t selfvote that much, I don't have the figures.
But by the simple fact that I know I am not greedy, I have still been upvoting a lot never really thinking there is any justification to it apart from a well I guess I must have earned it. I think that is b*ll*cks. Because if I am doing it, I am pretty sure all 300k users are doing it.

Anyway I shall make it a mission to find out how much of the rewards end up in the selfvotes.
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@pathtosuccess ·
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looks like this guy has found a way to make coin on the site. Let's declare a hot issue and then publish lists of people who match the issue instead of writing useful content. As new as I am, I get that hypocrisy of that.
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@smooth · (edited)
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> If you don't think your own post is worthy of an upvote, you probably need to put more time and effort into producing a post you would be proud to upvote

100% this, and also if you think someone else's content is trash and doesn't deserve rewarded the rewards it is getting, that's why we have downvotes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with self-upvoting, if the content is good. One of the reason to buy SP is so you can boost your own content by voting for it. If others agree, great. If they don't then they should downvote it and your votes (and money spent buying SP to support those votes) will have been wasted. 

It doesn't even matter if someone _only_ upvotes themself, _if their content is good_. Maybe some people are mostly content creators and don't spend a lot of time reviewing/reading/curating other content. There's nothing at all wrong with that.

There is absolutely nothing that can be done against true abusive "self" upvoting (other than downvoting it to take away the profit), because malicious abusers will just move their SP into other accounts and hide what is going on.

The idea of creating 'lists of shame' and demonizing people is divisive, creates a hostile and toxic environment attractive to no one, and serves no useful purpose. There is no way to tell from these lists whether the content is deserving of the rewards or not. The only way to tell is by actually looking at the content, and if you think it is undeserving, downvote it.
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@akrid · (edited)
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I couldn't understand the reason why you flagged this post until the very last paragraph on your comment.  I now understand your concern when it come's to 'lists of shame', however I found this information to be very useful.
My curiosity gets the better of me sometimes, it's one of the reasons I really enjoyed this post.
Do you think that steemcleaners report is another example of a 'wall of shame'?
If so, do you think it should be flagged as well?
Would obfuscating the name with a generic link like steemcleaners does make it worth removing your flag?
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@benjojo ·
He didn't create a list of shame, he created a list.  Clearly self voters don't feel any shame ;)  Also, just how fabulous does your comment need to be for a self-upvote of $10 or more?  There is evidence of gross abuse of the reward pool in this list.....in my opinion.  It goes against the spirit of the intention behind the system.  Showing this information has the potential to change people's behaviour and approach whilst informing the discussion with solid data.  It is an issue worth discussing and wrestling with.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
@smooth If hypothetically i would remove the user names, would you undo your flag (or at least be fine with the content)? (I don't care about the money, it's about the principal and i don't like to see people unhappy)

I just want the data to be published so people can come to any conclusion they want or do further research and expand on it. In the end we should all work together to make this platform come as close to it's full potential as possible. No need to further divide indeed, let's just objectively look at the data and determine what elements of the platform can be improved upon.
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@haphazard-hstead · (edited)
The list reflects two types of actions. One is the self-upvote. The other is how much vote power is expended on other people. People that are voting a lot, at high power, for other people will not reach a high percentage on this list. Folks with a high percentage on this list are keeping their vote power high in order to keep their own rewards high, or to feel powerful when they are able to give someone else an occasional high reward. Neither are community-focused actions. 

This list is helping me adjust my strategy. Before the HF19, my vote was worth 6 cents. Now, even if I take my vote power down low, down to 20% low, I can still give a lot more, roughly 4 or 5 times more than prior to HF19. **Rather than trying to keep our voting power high, we should be trying to have a low voting power all the time.** The problem on Steemit isn't lack of quality content. It's that not enough of the quality content out there is being found and rewarded - not enough to keep people enthused about creating quality content over the long run. 

In the limit, someone could still make 100 posts per day and only upvote themselves, but the overhead for that takes all the satisfaction out of the effort. **If the community comes to appreciate people who keep their voting power low, not high, the self-upvote problem will take care of itself.**
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@inquiringtimes ·
the problem i that our steem power is given to participate with the community.  I am part of the community, but if I'm not upvoting other peoples posts, and primarily upvoting my own content, it just becomes a mining activity.  I hope that anyone who is concerned with the issue will check out @rycharde's blog [Proposal for New Rules regarding self votes](https://steemit.com/steemit/@rycharde/proposal-for-new-rules-regarding-self-votes-and-voting-rings)
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@jaki01 ·
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<blockquote>
There is absolutely nothing wrong with self-upvoting, if the content is good.
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And what, if it is <em>not</em> good? You could simply write 10 articles consisting of one sentence only every day and upvote them with 100 % of your voting power. Then nobody would dare to flag you because of your possible response.
<br>
If one account is doing that the damage may be limited, but making self-voting so lucrative could lead to more and more users who don't try to make <em>good</em> content, but just produce ten times <em>any</em> content to upvote it themselves.
That is easier than ever because of ...
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<li>
... the fourfold impact of 100 % votes,
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- ... the linear reward curve,
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In my opinion @jrcornel made very good suggestions to limit self-voting here:
<br>
https://steemit.com/steemit/@jrcornel/my-ideas-on-how-to-create-a-thriving-steemit-com
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It is also not my intention to blame users for self-voting, but I 'blame' the system for making it so easy and beneficial.
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@juvyjabian ·
Likewise, I dont find any problem with self-voting, like what you said, its their rights. I think the issue here is that people are jealous of what others are getting.

How are you sir @smooth? Its been a while.
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@kyle.anderson ·
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>It doesn't even matter if someone only upvotes themself, if their content is good. Maybe some people are mostly content creators and don't spend a lot of time reviewing/reading/curating other content. There's nothing at all wrong with that.

This.

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People need to stinking start flagging. "Negative-voting" (as refered in the whitepaper). If a self-voted post or comment is making more that you feel appropriate - flag. Don't complain. The entire steem system is founded on the principle that everyone is able to use their vests however they choose to make payouts align with their perception of value.

You can not just "make self-votes not payout" or "self-votes only count for page rank". The social contract behind steem is that VESTS are fungible. Vests are always vests. My vote is worth the same no mater if I vote on content that is good, bad, racist, sexist, pro-steem, or even critical of steem. Changing how vests effect post payouts in a discriminatory way fundamentally changes steem by by altering the fungibility of the underlying asset. This is not like just a 'block size increase' or a simple parameter change, this is a major game theoretical and economic change to the system that has effects much deeper than just self-votes.

Vests should be fungible.

- from my post: https://steemit.com/steem/@kyle.anderson/subjective-proof-of-work-some-rational-comments-on-the-self-voting-trend
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@kyle.anderson ·
I see why you flagged but maybe it is the name that should be changed? 

I think someone sharding this type of data is very important for the community. Not everyone is doing the math here.
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@luzcypher ·
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I agree with your comments. It does bother me when someone repeatedly upvotes their own comments while adding nothing to the conversation.  I'm getting a lot of those lately from the dame actors. 

When I check out their blogs the post no content of their own and appear to just comment on other's blogs with a generic comment like, "Good info. Thanks" and then they upvote their comment.

I have also been getting a lot of comments saying, "Upvoted and resteemed" but when I check they have done neither and only upvoted their own comment.

Bothers the hell our if me and cheapens the experience on Steemit. I think users like that should be called out
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@marcusorlyius ·
I just test flagging you and removed it. The only effect of me flagging your comment was a payout deduction of $0.13. if you flagged me, you'd wipe out any payout, destroy my rep, and cause my comment to be hidden. How on earth is that fair?

I completely and utterly disagree that being wealthy should allow you make shit loads of money from upvoting your own comments and give you the power to censor those poorer than yourself.
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@michaeldavid ·
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I haven't been here very long but I have to agree with you @smooth. This type of thing does create a hostile environment. Especially if there is nothing showing if the upvotes are somehow abusive.

I see a lot of names in that list that are people actually helping the steemit community also. 

For some reason I've seen at least some controversy over self upvotes. I can see how only upvoting your own content does not help to grow the community. It seems to me though that people who are not abusing it far outweigh people that don't.

 I personally upvote all my posts(it's the default setting in creating your post) and some of my own comments. I do however also support the community with many as well. 

There are certain authors and contests that I really enjoy reading and upvoting.

I'm also very open to suggestions on how I could use steemit better both for the community and for myself.

If what I'm doing by upvoting some of my own things is somehow wrong I would want to know it so I did not continue.
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@playfulfoodie ·
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On the one hand, I agree that lists like these are taking things a bit too far. I still found myself browsing through it though and checking a few accounts to see if I was following them and whether I even still liked their stuff. Why? Because if they upvote themselves for such amounts of money, I don't feel like giving them my support when I don't actually care about their topics. It's just one more way to clean up my list to follow less people, so I can actually keep up with the ones I feel deserve more support.

You're saying we could downvote content we find undeserving. I would love to, seriously, but how should I go about doing that? We've all seen the grief people get when they downvote a crap post that's earning way too much money. I feel like I would certainly ruin my own earnings and reputation if I start downvoting undeserving posts. Any author that holds a grudge and a lot of SP would downvote me into oblivion... I don't feel like I am truly, fairly able to curate bad posts, other than ignoring them. Not if I still want to have a shot here myself.

The only content I can (and do) safely downvote is that of newbies who post plagiarized content or copy/past comments...
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@shaka · (edited)
$1.47
I absolutely agree, nothing wrong with self-voting per se. The only helpful figure I can take away from this analysis is the total of the reward pool that apparently was allocated by self-voting. If the 8.47% is correct this is not something that should worry us too much - not worth all the drama. In particular if one considers that only a fraction of this accounts for self-voting that is outright abusive.
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@the1pwcj ·
$0.39
I think that I agree with you on this.  I do not have the system figured out so I am not able to be positive.  Thank you all for the input.  Take care.
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@thedamus ·
$0.29
Very good comment. I think you nailed it!

Full power upvote for you, in support of this great community.

Cheers! from @thedamus
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@thethreehugs ·
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Thanks for this post Dave..should clear a lot of questions about self-voting...You've got my vote and resteeming.
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@barrydutton ·
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Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@thethreehugs ·
Just upvoted my comment..lol
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@zufrizal ·
Love steem on comment, upvote and bring suggestion all best friend anybody please follow me and help anything problem a posting comment it...
STEEM on @zufrizal
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@denmarkguy ·
**@calamus056,** first of all thanks for assembling this post... regardless of whether this is a "data dump" or a "hall of shame" list, I am always grateful to look at hard data rather than "guessing" at what's going on *"because it feels like ___"*

I started writing a comment to this... but it ended up getting completely out of hand, so I'm combining it with part of a post I'd already rough drafting. 

Short version, though, is that I really appreciate seeing this dialogue... and it's high time we are having it. We also need to start looking at (and learning from!) events FAR BEYOND Steemit... people become a little soliptic around, but just because we're on the blockchain doesn't mean we're somehow "exempt" from dealing with the shadier sides of human nature.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$0.03
The problem is larger than just SteemIt. Society has operated in this manner for millennia and people are still conditioned by it. More people in the world are working towards providing a basic income and a free market without government from people. It's juts gonna take time to get rid of the selfishness and the fear a lot of people currently have.
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@denmarkguy ·
Well, we've been conditioned (mostly by the capitalist mindset) to live in "fear of scarcity." As long as we have that fear, we will CONSUME... and even when we are not consuming, we are hoarding "just in case" there will not be anything to consume tomorrow. And people hoard pretty much everything... from old newspapers to laundry detergent, to assets and wealth.
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@diebaasman ·
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I really don't see what shame lists will achieve. I feel that anyone has a right to vote for whatever they want too. I have seen new members as well as whales posting really good as well as really bad copy and paste posts.  But if that specific user feel like upvoting his own stuff, then what will a shame list do to persuade them to change? 

Not much I guess. I vote on other people's comments and posts during the week and also vote my own comments close to expiry date. 

The little bits extra will help my account grow, in turn this will help other members as well. 

Even if changes are made to the voting system self voting people will make groups and just vote between themselves. I say stress less about other and so what feels right for yourself.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Well right now it's at least causing some discussion and increase of awareness. It's not really intended as a shame list at all, the statistics just happened to have names in it, which i could have censored, but then people constantly would be asking for the names so i might as well include them. Others would release the names eventually anyway since it's all public information.

First you need to understand that curation and content creation is very different. Secondly, In general self-voting is only problematic if you do it too much (50%+ is probably way too much). What's also important is how much you are actively contributing to the platform (buying STEEM excluded).

The problem is much more complex, so i i'm not going to answer any single comment and will probably publish a massive article in the coming week(s) to hopefully take away a lot of the confusion.
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@dreamingirwin ·
Well I guess voting on your self does have benefits.  I was sure it didn't pay out to the person that post.  I was under the impression that it was only done to gain attention.
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@calamus056 ·
Unfortunately it does pay out the person. It's stupid huh?
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@elfspice ·
There is one important piece of data missing that would really add weight to this post: What proportion of the rewards pool is going out to self-upvotes? I would like to know.

And of course @smooth rushes to defend himself, and along with "@eeks", who probably is an alt of one of the more famous self-upvoters, by boosting a comment to the top to excuse this self indulgent behaviour. Note that @smooth is also the number one winner of self-upvoting witness as well.

Not milking the Steem reward pool at all, no, not one bit. Shame on you. 

@smooth is a big part of the reason why there will never be anything done about this, and why I am going to build a system that these kinds of jerks will be unable to milk to their advantage.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-part-3-potential-comment-abuse

For posts+comments it's 8.47% as mentioned in the first part of these 4 part series.
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@elfspice ·
1/3<sup>rd</sup> of all rewards are self votes? Holy moly. Not a problem, not one bit. not at all. *snort*. If a company put out an MP3 player with an SNR like that, every last unit would be returned.
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@elfspice ·
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That article says this:
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It is much worse than I even imagined!
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@enjoykarma ·
..first of all thank you for posting this info and getting in in this theme..at last it isn't clear to me how to think about upvoting one self..i agree with the comment of @davebrewer..seems right to me that the community has the freedom to decide collectively..
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@enjoykarma ·
..and by the way..what do you or all of you steemians think about people begging (sometimes almost barefaced, if you ask me...) for following, upvoting and resteeming them??..sure that everybody wants to have followers and so on, the whole thing it s about..
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@calamus056 ·
$0.19
It's horrible. Some people are following 50,000 people. I'm probably going to datamine following stats next.
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@erikaflynn ·
Wow! Such a big amounts!
My received $0.5 is a drop in the ocean compared to this🙂
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@barrydutton ·
Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@enjoykarma ·
..yes, there playing in a different league than we..
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@eternalsunshine ·
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I don't understand what is wrong with voting for yourself. That does not prevent you from voting for others at all..!
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@beanz ·
With a soft limit of 10 full powered votes per day, yes it does prevent you from voting for others.  I could write 10 comments and upvote them at 100% taking about $100 per day from the pool.  Any votes that I use on anything else will have lower rewards and it would take days to recover my voting power, making it more beneficial to the self voter to hog their vote for themselves and nobody else.
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@eternalsunshine · (edited)
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Hmm didn't know that. Well that's a flaw in the system. Maybe you should be limited to a certain amount of votes for yourself. But on the contrary, *never* vote for yourself (or more precisely forbidding yourself to vote for yourself) feels like almost denying yourself to me. You *can* give to yourself  it is not selfish. It is not exclusive. That is what I actually meant.
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@lucashunter ·
But some on this list don't upvote other at all. They only upvote their comments. Please check the numbers and do your research.
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@fairbee ·
I would Strongly suggest that, avoid self voting. It will help your post gain in value. After HF19, self voting on posts will result reducing the post's earning every day. Posts earned $600 on first day will end up with $300.
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@calamus056 ·
What are talking about? HF19 already happened June 20th.
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@fairbee ·
hahaha.. I know..you must have got confused because i have used 'WILL' which turned  the total sentence in to future tense. I beg your pardon for my bad english.

Yes indeed, HF19 was happened last month. What I meant to say was, if some one self vote their posts, that post's payout will get reduced.
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@preparedwombat ·
>After HF19, self voting on posts will result reducing the post's earning every day. Posts earned $600 on first day will end up with $300.

Is this carved in stone for the next HF?
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@fairbee ·
maybe using the word 'will' made it future tense. HF 19 was happened already and because of which self voting were/are resulting huge drop in payouts. That is what I have observed.
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@fleur ·
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Really interesting! It is good to have transparency on steemit, so that people can mange informed decisions 🙏🏽
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@calamus056 ·
It's 100% transparent, no censorship possible either ;)
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@freedomnation ·
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You are insane man, how did you calculate this? Hahaha.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$0.41
4 hours of programming, 3 hours of downloading and saving data (2 gigs+), 10 minutes importing and then 2 days of making queries and calculations.
👍  ,
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@davebrewer ·
I upvoted, but I doubt that will pay back the investment you made in time and effort.

I'll link to a different thread that has some conversation you may want to review.

Summary of the other thread - you can't take away self upvoting without radically changing the heart of steemit.  It isn't a perfect system, but it isn't as flawed as you might think if all you think and focus on is the worst case scenario.  There are dickheads in every system.  Make the data visible on who is acting in greedy fashion and the system will move on as is, nothing is really broken.

https://steemit.com/steem/@kyle.anderson/subjective-proof-of-work-some-rational-comments-on-the-self-voting-trend
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@friendly · (edited)
$0.04
Nice work.. 👍
STEEM On!!
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@ghulammujtaba ·
There are some people ho genuinely give all the upvotes to themselves and this behavior is affecting this community badly.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
The whole world in fact. In the real economy 10 people own over 50% of the money in the world. That's not good for anyone. Greed is a bitch.
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@hannahlicious ·
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such an interesting post! thanks so much for taking the time to put this together.... I am really enjoying reading the debate in the comment! 
the figures are just crazy!
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@barrydutton ·
Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@calamus056 ·
It's not about the money, it's about the percentage.
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@hannahlicious ·
yeah I get that... I like Craig-grants style.... half for himself half for the community... anything more than that I think is a little selfish
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@hanshotfirst ·
Hi. Instead of writing a huge comment here, I turned my response into a post. In it I thanked you for your time and effort in creating this. I mean that sincerely. I hope that this list can be a positive conversation starter rather than a "hit list".
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@calamus056 · (edited)
People are taking it way too personally, you know how it goes with controversial subjects..
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@teamsteem ·
I found this post through your post.
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@msg768 ·
You and @ausbitbank made me go...

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@hilarski ·
$6.47
Your list is flawed Pot stirrer. I should be on the list. I hate it when people make lists of something I do and don't include me. Just to prove it to you I am going to Upvote this comment 100%! Put me on the dam list!!!

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@calamus056 · (edited)
You show up as only $76.661 (8.5263110%) in self-votes of $899.111 total from June 20th till July 18th. Is that info relatively accurate?

The reason you're not on the list is because everything under $100 self-votes was filtered, there were 10's of thousands of rows in the list so i had to filter on something.
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@financialcritic · (edited)
$1.64
LOL, me too. I'm on the list above and think this is really stupid. I'm going to upvote this comment 100% and your comment 100% in revolt. I'm all for reducing self upvoting abusers, but this list is raw data with 0 analysis.
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@quinneaker ·
$0.07
ahahahhhaa @hilarski you are a bad ass!
Love you bro.
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@ilyastarar · (edited)
Thanks for the good work @calamus056.
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@calamus056 ·
Well you need to be careful just basing it on SBD, some people have a shitload of SP but still aren't selfish at all.
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@ilyastarar · (edited)
Thanks.
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@jacksonoskele ·
My question is, it is bad to vote for yourself? If it is then why did the community allow it?
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@calamus056 ·
Because the vast majority of people had no power before June 20th and didn't notice the problem. Now everyone know about it and people finally realize it's a problem. People are mainly against self-voting spam comments.
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@elfspice ·
The majority of the community is probably against it, in terms of numbers. The numbers, in terms of stake, are a whole different story. And, as https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-part-3-potential-comment-abuse shows, it's nearly 1/3 of the rewards pool going to this.

As calamus points out, and as I said early on when I started commenting on the subject, before HF19, only whales could substantially self vote.

As for 'the community', that's irrelevant. Stake is everything. The stake controls the witnesses, and the Github 'issues'. They arbitrarily define changes that relate to game-rules as 'feature requests' and define them as unacceptable and will ban you if you try to submit more than a few such issues.

I doubt that Stinc is ever going to change it. Not before they have had their fun milking the rest of the pool and diluting all the investors' holdings. Of course, they still don't have enough. Especially not @dan larimer, who also just creamed several million with the EOS ICO. Never enough for these people. It's on account of people like this that I like to believe in Hell.
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@jbp ·
Holy sh*t 11k SBD only from self-voting..
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Yup and what about the total of $175,181.088 SBD self-votes this month? Read about it in [my previous post](https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/extensive-curation-stats-overview-since-hf19-june-20th-2017).
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@journeyoflife ·
Sense of pride ?
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@juvyjabian ·
Its amazing how the platform could produce such a good income stream for its members. I dont find a problem with this. Yes, I felt jealous because like anybody else in the platform, I also wanted to earn but unfortunately I could not.

I am not against self-voting because I believe its their rights. They had been spending their time in the platform and gained support from whales and turned themselves into a whale too. Some of them had invested money in the platform and its just right to use it for themselves. There's nothing wrong with it, its called reality.

The reason why there are those who mumble is because we are jealous of their earnings and dont worry, its also normal. Its a human instinct. 

What we need to do is to invest money too or find ourselves a whale supporters and enjoy the benefits of being a user in the platform.
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@calamus056 ·
Wrong, there is something wrong with it because it harms the platform. Also there's no jealousy, self-voting is just bad for the platform, that has nothing to do with how much certain people are "earning".
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@juvyjabian ·
The admin should remove this feature since its bad and is not good for the platform. Or could it be that steemit was created for it?
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@libert ·
I have only problem with guys who comment "nice" and give themselves an undeserving upvote
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@calamus056 ·
Yup, that's one of the main ways of abuse people are noticing lately.
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@lyfo ·
Certainly this is useful information. Transparency is important. Rules and guidelines are also important. Customs, norms and etiquette are learned through experience. When something is new, we establish the rules as we interact with each other.

Now we are learning about economics and how to become our own bankers and we even get to decide whether we want to be bankers or banksters. What is right, what is wrong, what is ethical or not can only be determined by practice and experience. The only way to learn how to handle power is to have a little and experience it. How do we handle this new power?
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@mandylange ·
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Thank you but what is the menaing of the list. are you againstt it? I don't see a problem in self voting?
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Of course i'm against it. The more people self-vote, the less rewards authors get and the less value the platform has. If everyone self-votes, there wouldn't be any value at all.

But it's a hard topic and will probably do a separate article about it soon.
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@stellabelle ·
it's true. That is why the algorithm was set up the way it was in the beginning by Dan. He was trying to avoid this very thing.
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@stellabelle ·
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Voting for my own post is something I always do, but I rarely vote for my own comments (I did today to bring it visibility, but as a rule, I tend to avoid it). I feel this is fair, as I only have a 4% self-vote percentage. I think going over 10% is probably a bad move. Hmmmm....there's a lot to think about.
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@clintjunior ·
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Honey if I looked like you, I'd upvote myself all. day. long...
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@whatsup · (edited)
What is that supposed to mean?  Jackass.
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@millionairemark · (edited)
I would have done the same if I had that much VP!
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@mountain.phil28 ·
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Thx @calamus056. I do not know how you did get this extensive amount of data, but this is impressive! I. Think people with so much power should not be as selfish as some of them are. (Just like in our non-digital world) - Nonetheless, thx for your work!

I just checked out your profile and saw, that you are interested in science! As I will continue to give exclusive insight into special scientific topics i would be happy if you have a look and enjoy them too. :-) My last one was written a week ago (dealing with nanocars) and my next one will come on saturday. :-)

Best,
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@paceta ·
let the developers decide on this , or whom it may concern , or let there be public vote .
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@pfiffel ·
@avilsd of course you only upvote yourself 😂😂
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@pisolutionsmru ·
I didn't know self-voting could generate so much SBD!! It looks legit if you upvote your post when you did a good write up which you think is worth that upvote.

However, Steemians who only vote for themselves without giving anything to the community should really think about it. 

Steemit is a community effort and the stronger the community, the stronger the platform will be. We all need to work together to make Steemit the next gen platform which everyone want to use.

We should all think about our actions on Steemit and ensure that we are helping the community.

Nice article. Thanks for sharing. Resteemed :)
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@positivesteem ·
If you have put in the time and effort to come out with the comments, then self voting should not be a problem. I must admit that I have done that a couple of times. But if more than half of the total SBD is used on yourself, then there is a problem somewhere. I usually up-vote comments for my post. I suppose the solution is to set a percentage limit say 30% for self voting.
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@calamus056 ·
I'd say closer to 10%, but it's technically very complicated because of multiple accounts.
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@positivesteem ·
Thanks for the very informative post. Do check out my work too, I write poetry and positive posts.
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@preparedwombat ·
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I'm not convinced that this is the terrible thing that so many here seem to assume that it is. Look at the full list, there are a lot of widely respected names there. People who've done a lot to build this community.
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@barrydutton ·
Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@calamus056 ·
There's also a lot of abusers that vote close to 100% on themselves ;)
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@raybilson ·
Some of those numbers are out of control. I believe that a restriction on the top amount to be self rewarded is need it.
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@calamus056 ·
That's the problem, that's not technically possible because people have multiple accounts.
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@davebrewer ·
You got it.  You could focus on solving the "single account abusers"; and all that would do is get the people who are intent on abuse to create multiple accounts.
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@readmore ·
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Voting for yourself occasionally is not the problem, however abusing this is a problem for the healthy growth of the system. It makes it like a pyramid scheme. It is easier to identify the most selfish writers by simply using: sbd to self/total sbd×100.
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@calamus056 ·
$0.03
Guess what the last column is lol.
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@readmore ·
Yeah my bad, checked on my phone and couldn't see it there.
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@reyhaynes ·
$0.04
Honestly, this is amazing statistical information I actually was trying to get. I've been observing habits here and have been wondering about self-voting for a good while...especially with whales and the way they protect their voting power.

I probably don't mind upvoting oneself for new stories...but for comments...especially when it's a one-liner...it's pretty awful.

I can totally see why a whale would want to do it considering how much money they invested...but I do have an issue with not sharing the wealth via decent voting power upvotes in some way.

At the end of the day, however...I can't really fault one for having a set plan for their money...even at the cost of the steemit community.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ll2fajzk9DgaY/giphy.gif
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@richq11 ·
Your list doesn't show what the people use the proceeds for... I know several people on this list and can say without fear of contradiction that they use the money from upvoting themselves to help others... Looks like a sour grapes hatchet job to me!
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@rocking-dave ·
The beauty of the blockchain is its transparency. It makes us all a bit more accountable though I'm sure many people on the list that are voting themselves some serious cash probably don't really care. Or feel they deserve it and are warranted to do what they are doing.
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@serggioc ·
How is this even allowed? Lol
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@calamus056 ·
Because you can get your own content higher on the "hot" list. But people that don't make good content can also do it so that's the problem.
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@serggioc ·
I think this option should be removed from steemit, or it could be allowed as long as the self upvotes in comments and posts wouldn't be monetized.
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@sigmundfreud ·
Self-vote abuse on commentaries.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@sigmundfreud/steem-auto-comment-exploit-uncovered-80-000sbd-since-hf19
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@calamus056 · (edited)
BTW, it's not an exploit, nor is the SBD being "burned". But it is a problem nevertheless :)
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@sigmundfreud ·
Autocomment exploit example:
https://steemit.com/abuse/@sigmundfreud/educational-example-how-to-exploit-steem-auto-comment-special-thanks-to-craigemslie
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@smooth ·
$3.78
Downvoted because I don't agree this form of analysis and divisive rhetoric is useful content that adds value to Steem or is deserving of rewards.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$0.46
It's just a list with stats people were curious about. There's no analysis, it's just a data dump. People can do whatever they want with the data.

Why are you trying to fight me? Are you not against abuse? Look at the people self-voting close to 100%, do you think that behavior is beneficial to you, themselves, me and others?
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@smooth · (edited)
> Look at the people self-voting close to 100%, do you think that behavior is beneficial to you, themselves, me and others?

I don't know. It depends on the content. A content creator who produces useful content and upvotes it, but does not spend time reading others' content or generally curating is still a valuable contributor despite 100% self-voting. A spammer who self-upvotes and also votes on others (or perhaps a pair of spammers who vote on each others' spam but not their own) is still an abusive spammer. The statistics in your post by themselves are useless, as is the implication that 'self-voting' or a high self-voting percentage is inherently harmful or evidence of abuse. Neither is correct.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
@smooth I have to tell you that you're a good guy, i just noticed you only flagged at 20% power. You could have destroyed the rewards, but instead chose to make a statement and not make it personal. I don't know if i would have done the same in your shoes. Thanks a lot!  BTW, this is probably the first time you've ever been thanked after flagging someone, right? :)
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@smooth ·
You are welcome ;)
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@financialcritic ·
This isn't analysis....this is a report. No form of analysis was done from what I can see.
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@kyle.anderson ·
The information is certainly deserving of some reward. 

Maybe the rhetoric requires your comment as a reply.
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@soonidrift · (edited)
Alot of these people have invested alot of money into steem and only want to use it as an investment. I am not saying its right or wrong but you have failed to realize that if you ban this they all exit their postion and thats alot hitting the market and will cause a serious drop. These guys are actually stabilizing steem for the long term. Just think how much risk they have if this goes belly up. There is always other sides to everything that should be discussed. Im not saying i agree with it just wanted to state something i havent seen in the sudden influx of these type of post.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
If they don't want this to go belly up they should stop self-voting. The more money goes to content creators, the more new potential investors there will be. It's literally that simple.

People can earn a shitload with curation rewards. I bet it's at least 50 times more than the bank pays.
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@denmarkguy ·
$0.07
>The more money goes to content creators, the more new potential investors there will be. It's literally that simple.

That ▲ right there. The more thriving and quality based the the community looks, the more attractive it looks to investors.
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@soonidrift ·
Thats what i am saying they are not here for the community thats obvious, what i am curious about if they all left what would that do to the price if steem? I wonder how much steem all from the first group hold. Just gotta think about this like stocks they all liquidate  what dies that look like? Just to be clear i am not supporting what they do but it makes me wonder what happens if all the big guys leave.
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@stadsmanneke · (edited)
$0.05
I'm not on the wall of shame !
Damn , I'm such a dumbo.
Gonna change it immediatly , thank you.  Great post !
Hahaha , lol.
Even re-steemed this post and follow.
Don't forget to follow and upvote my kindness.
Pssst : It's free.  :-)
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@steemboys ·
$0.94
Well what about these guys not self upvoting but upvoting their 2nd and 3rd account?  I dont know what that whole discussion is all about. I believe anyone can do what they want with their share. Some will contribute others wont. If selfupvote would be taken off steemit , people think twice about holding or selling. And steem would be back at 0,10$
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@calamus056 ·
You can also kill people, is it smart though?
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@dobsdies ·
Yeah self voting is just like murder??????
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@stellabelle · (edited)
I have to admit, this is fascinating. I am confused by the first number......what is it? In my case the total SBD is $6,400, so is that the amount that I have given overall by voting? And the $256 is the amount of that $6,400 that I gave to myself through upvoting my own post?
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@calamus056 ·
You got it :)

In your case it was $6,485.92 SBD worth of upvotes, of which $295.80 (4.56%) was on yourself. That's entirely acceptable since you're a fantastic content creator, but in my opinion ideally people would stop voting on themselves entirely.

P.S.: may i ask how you found this post? Did you get a notification that you were mentioned in a post (even though i didn't include @ on purpose)?
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@stellabelle ·
no i don't get notifications anymore.....
I am a surfer here on steemit, and I followed a bunch of random things.....I have no idea actually.
There's a ton of informative stuff, that is hiding in steemit...
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@stellabelle ·
no, I found your other post in the "HoT" section, which led me to this.
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@steveitt ·
Upvoting is a personal choice. The default is to self-upvote. If you've got a good post, and it's not getting attention, then do something to get it attention, upvote it, edit it to "polish it up", there's no harm in it.
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@barrydutton ·
Keep in mind some of us write 150 blogs a  month on here for content and those are all upvoted, I went into that on here too.

Perspective is important along with the engagement we try and create in the community.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
We know, but there's a problem when people (almost) never vote on others and/or not contribute to the platform.
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@varian.wyrnn ·
You hit the nail on the head. And also, these people put money into the platform, who are we to say what they can and cannot vote for? This was a tenant of communism.
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@stonesteem ·
Thanks for the info! I don't see anything wrong with t a little upvoting,but I do think that the community would do better with MORE of a balance in the way some that make huge amounts of money upvote themselves. I'm proud of the witnesses I voted for that are doing a great job of helping the community! Greed it not my thing. Thanks again.
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@teatree ·
$0.02
So essentially, HF19 made people switch from voting for other people to gain a curation award, to voting just for themselves?
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@calamus056 · (edited)
No, not everyone. But since you can put 4 times as much $ on content now it's become way easier to abuse it.
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@thatgermandude ·
What do you think about getting rid of self-votes through changing the code (if pssble)?

I see the disadvantage of selfvotes heavily outweighing the advantages
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@calamus056 · (edited)
I'm highly in favor of that. Unfortunately abusers will still continue with multiple accounts but at least the abuse decrease somewhat.
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@thatgermandude ·
sure, it is not about preventing everybody to do it. It is about blocking the easy way, so people are aware that it is not very appreciated.
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@tonyr ·
A really useful post @calamus056. There are clearly many differing reasons and justifications given for self voting but in my opinion I would rather receive the rewards from others for having produced good content or even making a good comment than reward myself. I am not here to judge anyone and some of the justifications may be valid to some degree but I fail to see the reason that the function exists other than to purposely allow those who invest to milk the reward pool as a reward for investment or in order to fuck with everyones sense of morality and decency. If anyone can provide me with a better explanation I'd be very pleased to hear it! :)

Have a great day my friend!
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@transisto ·
This doesn't belong in #steemdev unless you write on how you extracted the data.
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@calamus056 ·
K, fair enough :)

Solved
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@twinner ·
Good work, but there must be an error in the full list :-)  Never ever I earned 7000 SBD, 3 times more than for instance knozaki2015 in the same timeframe :-) According to SteemWhales I'm on rank #610 in 30 days author ranking, he for instance #15.
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@calamus056 ·
$0.16
This is a curator list, not an author list. In other words, it's the total rewards your votes were worth.
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@twinner ·
Ah, good to know! How did you retrieve the data? SteemData? Piston?
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@varian.wyrnn ·
This whole effort is the biggest indication of actual communism that exists. A bunch of minnows telling people that spend hundreds of thousands of dollars into the platform how to spend the money. Not only how to spend it, but that they are entitled to this money. Guess what, a bunch of minnows attacking a whale for doing what he wants with his investment. Tards, and greedy. It is you  fools that are greedy and trying to have a power that you are not entitled to without steem power. Grow up. Get more money and dump it where you want it.
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@calamus056 ·
$0.32
Oh i should just get more money, i would have never thought of that myself. Thanks for the fantastic solution!
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@davebrewer ·
We are at the heart of the matter here calamus056.   You can get SP on steemit with either time or fiat.  If you don't have fiat, then you have to spend time.    

No reason to get upset at the folks who bring more fiat than you are able to at this moment.   That is called envy.  The partner to greed.    Envy is not better than greed, and vica-versa.   

The large whales that bring $2.5M fiat and invest in the platform, are the ones that help keep price of steem at high enough level to make payouts interesting, even for us minnows
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@juliakponsford ·
I have some great advice to help you out with that, don't be poor - just be rich, easy peasy :)
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@varian.wyrnn ·
The point is, you cannot commender the capacity of someone who has successfully put money into the platform, the only thing you could do, is to gain power and not do it, instead of trying to prevent the actions of others. Be a model, not a dictator.
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@whatamidoing · (edited)
I don't see anything wrong with a self upvote, even when it's worth so much....but it should account for a small percentage of total upvote percentage given....how much is obviously open ended but I think 20% to reward to yourself is pretty excessive already.  I would try to keep it below 15%, that seems like a fair number to me.   50% or above is pretty ridiculous.

Thank you so much for this, it allows us to get a much clearer understanding of the situation, though I imagine not the whole picture as many people have multiple accounts.

EDIT: really surprised at how many people are giving you a hard time for this....those with more power should also be held more accountable and subject to more transparency, no?
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@calamus056 · (edited)
I absolutely agree with you. It's also understandable to get so much hate when you call people out on their selfish behavior. We all get defensive when others say you're fat or you need to stop smoking or drinking or whatever.
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@znaffe ·
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Good post man. It's important that this stuff gets brought to light. People hopefully adapts their behaviour to something that's more beneficial over the long term.

Self-voting is just destructive for the platform, at least over a certain threshold. I think anything under 10-20% is okay, as it's a way to promote yourself.
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@calamus056 ·
You're the third person to mention approximately 10%.
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@davebrewer ·
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You think 10-20% is OK.  Other are going to say anything over 0% is a crime.  Some will say 50% is OK, others will believe higher.

The solution is appeal to some higher power of central authority to dictate a best and final answer.  Kinda not in the spirit of a decentralized platform.

Or publish behavior and let the community decide what is acceptable, by ostracizing those that each individual wants to ostracize
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@thethreehugs ·
mmm  Something to ponder about...my feelings is either you do or you don't..if the developers didn't want people upvoting themselves or only wanted a certain percentage of self votes,  they should incorporate it into to the program.  Just saying..
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@znaffe ·
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Well obviously it's subjective, I'm just stating my opinion. I personally believe that content should be able to speak for it self, but one of the main hurdles so far is how hard it is to find content. 

I do not want any central authority to dictate anything. I think the market will adjust with its own incentives and disincentives. It's a social platform after all, and social norms and 'rules' traditionally has more influence over people's decisions than actual laws and regulations.
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